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Trying to establish the time period of this photograph.
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Jan 15, 2022 11:32:59   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
I sent a copy of the photo to my son, a Chinese translator in the military for around 10 years, and he reported back that the letters over "Alice" say "Doroosevelt's daughter, Alice, in Western Australian." Could that be any help? I haven't seen any response stating the photo was taken in China.

That doesn't provide any indication of when the photo was taken though.

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Jan 15, 2022 13:39:16   #
bittermelon
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I sent a copy of the photo to my son, a Chinese translator in the military for around 10 years, and he reported back that the letters over "Alice" say "Doroosevelt's daughter, Alice, in Western Australian." Could that be any help? I haven't seen any response stating the photo was taken in China.

That doesn't provide any indication of when the photo was taken though.


Actually the Chinese characters come in 2 parts. The first 3 characters are phonetic translations for "Theodore". While the characters are the same, it has nothing to do with West Australia. The second 3 characters are phonetic translation for "Roosevelt".

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Jan 15, 2022 13:46:26   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
bittermelon wrote:
Actually the Chinese characters come in 2 parts. The first 3 characters are phonetic translations for "Theodore". While the characters are the same, it has nothing to do with West Australia. The second 3 characters are phonetic translation for "Roosevelt".


Thanks for the explanation. Because Chinese language does not have an alphabet I assume that employing a system such as you described is how they can organize documents like a phone book or catalog etc. A phone book would be structured based on the sound of a name. Is that correct?

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Jan 15, 2022 14:07:59   #
bittermelon
 
Actually Chinese phone books are sorted by the number of strokes for the characters of each last names, starting with the simplest last name to the most complex. For example, the character for the last name "Ding" has only 2 strokes, so all the Dings are listed first, and so on. Actually, Chinese phone books are pretty useless because so many people share the same last names. It did not make much difference however, as few Chinese people had phones until recently. When more people begin to acquire phones, cellphones became popular and there is no need for any printed phone books.

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Jan 15, 2022 15:43:55   #
scallihan Loc: Tigard, OR
 
bittermelon wrote:
Supposedly this is a photograph of the Chinese Empress Dowager Cixi and Alice Roosevelt, daughter of Teddy, taken in 1862. The timing is not right, as Alice was not born until 1884, and toured Asia, including China, in 1905. Whereas Cixi died in 1908. If the woman on the left is indeed Alice Roosevelt, then the woman on the right is not Cixi. This could be a significant photograph. Cixi is a major player during the late Qing dynasty, and ruled China for 45 years behind a very young emperor. Supposedly, this is the only photograph of Cixi as a young mother.

I also question the quality of this photograph, if it was indeed taken in 1862.
Supposedly this is a photograph of the Chinese Emp... (show quote)

There are many images of Alice Lee Roosevelt Longworth. The woman pictured looks nothing like her.



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Jan 15, 2022 16:16:39   #
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bittermelon wrote:
I don't think this is a color photograph. As said before, I think the colors are hand painted.


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Jan 15, 2022 20:18:45   #
katsaclickin Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Love this

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Jan 17, 2022 10:26:29   #
JimT9620
 
Just checked Wikipedia:
"Theodore Roosevelt Jr. born October 27, 1858."

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Jan 17, 2022 11:48:31   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
If that photo was taken in 1862, that would not be Theodore Roosevelt’s daughter because Teddy was born on 27 October 1858.

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