calstanley Loc: Maine

[quote=Richard94611]One of the great problems with Romney, as many people have observed, is that we don't get the specifics of any of these plans.

It amazes me that an Obama supporter can say this. Obama's 2008 campaign was completely devoid of specifics and he was elected on the empty concept of "hope and change". He even "won" the Nobel Peace Prize on the idea that he might be good for world peace - again, he didn't DO anything, just kind of hinted that he might. The Obamacare bill was passed without ANYONE knowing what was in it. Nancy Pelosi announced to the country that the bill would have to passed so we could see what it contained.

I don't know what Romney might do, but I sure do know what Obama has (or hasn't) done.

BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida

Something sure caught up with him last night. The most disappointing thing to me was that there were perfect opportunities to articulate some of the more straightforward objections to the Romney tax plan that President Obama either completely ignored or forgot about .... I believe many of the posters (not me though) on this forum could have done a better job against Romney last night than Obama did.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Indeed Romney won the aggression prize. He appeared to be spiced with the hopped up appearance of Amphetamine (speed), uncontrolled regarding time constraints by wimpish Jim Learer, and changing what he plans to do if he were president gave him the edge. Easier to blow smoke than to deal with reality... Kudos Romney you win the people lose.

George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Richard,
I did not hear that said on the TV last night. Now from the way I see it both of them will raise taxes, just wait till January when the new taxes kick in. Obama if he gets the chance will bankrupt this country with his socialized ideas. We can't afford 4 more years of his policies. Last night showed someone that came prepared to debate and then the President looked like he did not have a clue. Take away his teleprompter and he hems and haws with his answers. When he was fluid, it was apparent this was a practiced answer. Romney looked at Obama, Obama looked down and only at the camera. Sorry but Romney came off looking like a leader, Obama was not presidential at all. This is how I see it, oh by the way, are you better off now?

George

George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Richard,
I have a question for you did you read the Affordable Health Care Act? Even Pelosi said we have to pass it to know what is in it. Obama had two years of complete control of Congress, veto proof, look it up. Now stuff the partisan politics crap, if you think the Dems are better you are the one being duped. Both parties have one agenda, get their candidate elected. Ever hear of the disgraced Jewish traitor to his country George Soros, look at what his father did, this man is Obama's mentor. I don't need a person like this as an advisor to Obama. If he stays in office this country is in real trouble. You are typical of the Obama supporter, you don't do research, thus the man that did, won the debate.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Hi, George, it is not surprising that in the debate you did not hear said what I wrote, because it wasn't. But you should have heard him mention "closing loopholes," and if following his positions for the last few months you should also have heard repeatedly that he intends to eliminate the home mortgage interest deduction for income tax. In this venue, Romney is not going to mention how that particular aspect of "closing loopholes" is going to affect millions of Americans in this venue.

This fits into the pattern. If you are going to lower tax rates (as Romney stated in this debate he was going to do), then to maintain or increase the level of income presently taken in "without raising tax rates," then you have to tax a greater amount at the same or a lower rate.

I was disappointed in Obama's performance, and certainly hope this debate is not a game changer. I would be the first to admit that I am not "better off" now than when Obama took office. But l would be a lot worse off, in my opinion, if Obama had not been elected President. Yopu can only see being better or worse off as the most important factor if you fail to think about how you would now be without his win.

We will see what we will see, and no matter who wins, we will muddle through, just as we did under W. I will be voting for Obama.

George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

[quote=Richard94611]One of the great problems with Romney, as many people have observed, is that we don't get the specifics of any of these plans. Then we must rely on our judgement about whether or not we can trust the man. His opinions on issues have flip-flopped so badly that I don't feel I can believe him. I like to think that I am fairly good at evaluating character, having had to do it in a number of cultures. I don't trust him.

Richard,
Romney ran the state of Mass, what did Obama ever run before becoming President? He took that state to a very high educational standard that is still in place. You claim that you must rely on judgement, how about facts, they are a hell of a lot more important. You don't believe him, that is your problem, most don't. If you are a good judge of character then I think you pick the least effective people.

George

George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Bill,
There is no doubt that this will be modified, it is the typical reaction of the Dem left. Just wait until January, the taxes coming then will be dramatic, Obama has so many taxes installed in Obamacare that it has to be withdrawn and gotten rid of.

George

Kit Lens

I watched the debate and it was actually quite boring. The results on this board are pretty much what I expected. The Romney supporters think he won and the Obama supporters think he won. Personally I don't think there was a clear cut winner and when that happens it's usually in the incumbents favor.
The NY Times (yes I know that's a curse word in some of your houses) did an excellent fact check this morning. You may want to take a look:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03#fact-checks

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

George, your comment about the Affordable Health Care Act and what Pelosi said and meant indicates that you do not understand what she meant and how, these days, the legislative process unfortunately works.

Take any bill. At 9 a.m. on any given day, it may be printed in one form on paper. By the time voting comes around in the afternoon, many provisions will have been taken out and many put in, all of this by both Republicans and Democrats. These changes are made so enough votes can be gathered to pass it. That is why Pelosi said you don't know what is in it until it is passed.

I have yet to see a provision of the Affordable Health Care Act that I object to. What provisions in it do you not like ?

Isn't it interesting that you have to paint Soros as "Jewish" ? I guess you just painted yourself as something else, and I am not talking about race or religion.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

George, I rely on both facts and judgement. Both are necessary in evaluating a man. We will see what we will see.


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George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Richard,
I know you will vote for Obama, right now I can't, and doubt I will change my mind. Again, what are we talking about, this country needs JOBS, something Obama, does not have a clue as to how to correct. Please if you think this country is better off with him then I suggest you take a course in Economics. Obama's policies extrapolated out will bankrupt this country by the year 2070. Think I am kidding read Obamacare, figure out what the deficit will be in 2016 if we keep raising the limit. Oh and go back to March 2006 and research Obamas response to the Debt increase.

George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York

[quote=Richard94611]George, your comment about the Affordable Health Care Act and what Pelosi said and meant indicates that you do not understand what she meant and how, these days, the legislative process unfortunately works.

Take any bill. At 9 a.m. on any given day, it may be printed in one form on paper. By the time voting comes around in the afternoon, many provisions will have been taken out and many put in, all of this by both Republicans and Democrats. These changes are made so enough votes can be gathered to pass it. That is why Pelosi said you don't know what is in it until it is passed.

I have yet to see a provision of the Affordable Health Care Act that I object to. What provisions in it do you not like ?

Isn't it interesting that you have to paint Soros as "Jewish" ? I guess you just painted yourself as something else, and I am not talking about race or religion.

Richard,
I know exactly what she meant, care to tell me when a bill this size was ever put up for a vote? Please the bill is far too large to have been studied and should never have gotten off the floor. The Dems pushed it forward, remember the first two years, Obama had it all both the Senate and the House. Please, do me a favor get a subscription to the Congressional Record, then you and I can debate the issues of the Bill. I doubt you have ever read the bill, care to tell me what section deals with home ownership?

Now care to tell me you did not look up the history of Soros, but you are willing to make a judgement as to me. Typical of Dems, you don't do the research. Oh by the way, I am not Jewish, I am a Roman Catholic. Another thing Obama needs to do is keep his hands off of Religion, forcing a religion to violate it's beliefs is wrong, but he doesn't give a damn about that.

Please before you respond do the research, your loosing this battle, just like your beloved Obama.

AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms

Using your example lets just say this individual makes $100,000 and pays that 15%. That means he paid 15,000 in taxes which will be cut by $3000 dollars due to the across the board 20% tax reduction thus leaving a net reduction in taxes. Also, there are a lot of home owners that do not benefit by the itemizing so they will get a larger chunk of that 20% reduction.

terry1938

I am fascinated by the attitudes of USA citizens on the Obama-Romney debate. Firstly, the USA would not be in the frightful financial mess it is if George Bush was elected President for two terms and financed wars on credit. Dont blame Obama for that.
Secondly, the GFC was largely due to the largely deregulated activities of the finance sector, the deregulation being introduced by the Republican administration. Dont blame Obama for that.
When Clinton left office, the US economy was stable and debt was under control. Bush and his cronies plundered this legacy. How can a country pay off its debts without a fair taxation system which involves ALL sectors of society. From my reading of Romney's fiscal policy, the repayment of the USA's debt seems to take second place to his placating vested interests in society.
This is a recipe for disaster. I thank God that I live in Australia, but am terrified of the impact that a future Republican administration will have on western democracies throughout the world.