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Oct 5, 2012 20:23:30   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.

"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistak... (show quote)


I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:29:49   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Gee, someone really has a need for peter Roof to post the same article three times. Also, with putting the info up so fast you must have some conection to the far right wingers or are one yourself.


Huh? 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:39:19   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
NOW, ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT ONE THING. WHAT DOES ACA STAND FOR ? MEA CULPA. I AM GUILTY OF IGNORANCE ABOUT THIS. ENLIGHTEN US


Geff, hope you don't mind me answering this for you, it will allow you a slight break.

ACA is an acronym for the Affordable Care Act. Yes, it is an oxymoron, as my health insurance premiums have gone up since it's inception. In fact, although I have asked on this forum, I know of no one who has had their premiums go down since the ACA went into effect. No one. 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:39:32   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
ThenBmac, your memory is faulty because I do. The problem is simply that YOU DON'T WANT TO. It may be that it made less impression on conservatives and Republicans because it fit into what you wanted. But for those of us who wanted progress, the situation was very frustrating. We remember that. We were also disappointed by Obama then because we wanted him really to kick ass, and he didn't. He was way too nice to Republicans.


Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.

"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistak... (show quote)


I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)
quote=Richard94611 This (below) is true. Obama m... (show quote)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:44:23   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
ThenBmac, your memory is faulty because I do. The problem is simply that YOU DON'T WANT TO. It may be that it made less impression on conservatives and Republicans because it fit into what you wanted. But for those of us who wanted progress, the situation was very frustrating. We remember that. We were also disappointed by Obama then because we wanted him really to kick ass, and he didn't. He was way too nice to Republicans.


Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistake, and I felt it was a mistake after the first few months of his presidency. He tried way too hard to have bipartisan agreement from a group of people whose aim was not to agree.

"Again..It has been enumerated in many threads & posts how The Democrats had control of Congress the last two years of the Bush Administration & the first two years of the Obama Administration, and that's both houses of Congress. That's a fact, not opinion or interpretation."
This (below) is true. Obama made a serious mistak... (show quote)


I don't remember Obama trying to have bipartisan agreement when Congress was run by Pelosi & Reed the first two years of Obama's presidency. 8-)
quote=Richard94611 This (below) is true. Obama m... (show quote)
ThenBmac, your memory is faulty because I do. The... (show quote)


I believe Blurryeyed gave examples of non-bipartisanship by the Democrats. Since you have a better memory than me Richard, perhaps you wouldn't mind giving some specific examples supporting your contention?
8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 21:02:17   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.

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Oct 5, 2012 22:06:06   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.


Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.

So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 22:20:12   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans. And I recall feeling angry and disappointed that Republicans would not do this.

Eventually the ACA will in fact lower costs. Nobody said it would be instantaneous -- except Republicans now claiming people said this. In part this is due to the introduction of free preventative care. Can you see a relationship between a healthier population and lower total medical costs ?


Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.


Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.

So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 22:25:21   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans.


Okay, how about telling me about some of those numerous attempts you recall? 8-)

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Oct 5, 2012 22:28:52   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans.


Okay, how about telling me about some of those numerous attempts you recall? 8-)


Richard has nothing to say... He is just being a good soldier in the One's army... He is a bit like Wick, just a little more mature.

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Oct 6, 2012 01:35:13   #
stevenkl Loc: Swainsboro,GA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
Richard,
I'm not saying everything has gone well during the past administration, but at least it hasn't gotten us into another war front or supporting another hostile regime somewhere in the middle east.
All of the loans to the auto industry have been repaid.
Most of the loans to the banks have been repaid.
And the situation with SOLINDRA was due to cheaper solar panels being manufactured in China, but now even they are cutting back production and closing plants. Solar power, without a significant tax rebate or federal grants to the home owner, is out of the normal homeowner's budget. And without any grant money other than to businesses, it will fail for the average consumer. Average cost for a simple solar power system is $40,000.
Richard, br I'm not saying everything has gone wel... (show quote)


Sounds like you understand. We can't take the chance to change leadership right now. The jobs rteport this morning clearly shows that we are moving forward. Yes, it's not a fast trend. The President was dealt a very bad hand from the previous administration when he became President. Yes, those of you on the other side won't agree. Because you really can't unterstand how deep of a hole we were in. I'm not a rocket scientist but if you are moving in the right direction why wpuld you want to change course by moving backward? That's what we would do if Romney is elected. He has a fundamentally different idea of how to deal with this economy. It shows that this President has his thoughts and idea's on the right plan. Romney's plan is to give the wealthy a huge tax break and raise taxes on the middle class. There is no two ways about it. He, Romney has stated that claim about giving tax breaks for the wealthy. We are all in this together and the upper 2% of us need to step up to the plate and help the other 98% of us keep moving us forward in the right direction. It is vital for this country and every working person to re-elect President Obama.
quote=singleviking Richard, br I'm not saying eve... (show quote)


LOL you really believe that crap?

Let's try and understand how the federal government manipulated the numbers to get that drop in the rate...

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That 104,000 is well below the job growth needed to affect the unemployment rate just for population growth. Also digging deeper, we find that at least part of the drop in the unemployment rate was due to the continued decline in the number of people in the labor force. More specifically, 211,000 people exited the labor force over the last 30 days, which brings the trailing 12-month total to 2.64 million.


So 2.64 million people have given up looking for work which has lowered the so called jobless rate which has been reformulated only so as to make the government look good, and you somehow are foolish enough to think that the economy is moving in the right direction.... Maybe you might note that the number of new jobs last month is significantly smaller than the number of those who gave up looking, and smaller than the number needed to keep up with the rate of population growth...

But hey! the government manipulated a report to make itself look good.... We should all celebrate this....

Lemmings.
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=singleviking Richard... (show quote)


:thumbup: :D

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Oct 6, 2012 04:20:22   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-partisan fashion with Republicans. And I recall feeling angry and disappointed that Republicans would not do this.

Eventually the ACA will in fact lower costs. Nobody said it would be instantaneous -- except Republicans now claiming people said this. In part this is due to the introduction of free preventative care. Can you see a relationship between a healthier population and lower total medical costs ?


Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
My medicare premiums have gone up a slight bit, but so have my benefits. I am willing to pay something like $18 more a month for what I am now getting.


Good for you Richard, except one of the selling points for soliciting passage of the Affordable Health Care Bill would be that it would lower costs, not raise them.

So, any specific examples of how Obama exercised bi-partisanship those two years that he ruled both houses of Congress? 8-)
I recall attempt after attempt to work in a bi-par... (show quote)


Richard,
Have you read that bill, be honest, and if you did could you explain the 10 areas that fund things with no connection to health care?


George

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Oct 6, 2012 10:56:03   #
Mattie
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)

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This might be of interest to you ..... hopefully...

In order to know the man... Mitt Romney.. you need to know the Father.... Possibly the blacks will be surprised at this writing.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

<<<Americans have four basic ways of solving problems that are too big for individuals to handle by themselves. One is through the federal government. A second is through state governments and the local governments that the states create. The third is through the private sector – the economic sector that includes business, agriculture, and labor. The fourth method is the independent sector – the voluntary, cooperative action of free individuals and independent association. Voluntary action is the most powerful of these, because it is uniquely capable of stirring the people themselves and involving their enthusiastic energies, because it is their own – voluntary action is the people's action. ... As Woodrow Wilson said, "The most powerful force on earth is the spontaneous cooperation of a free people." Individualism makes cooperation worthwhile – but cooperation makes freedom possible.>>>]


read this and you die hard Obama's might change your mind toward Romney as he is today and his thinking... you might be surprised... just make sure you read ALL of the article.

He reflected, "It was only after I got to Detroit that I got to know Negroes and began to be able to evaluate them and I began to recognize that some Negroes are better and more capable than lots of whites."

Finally, Romney disagreed strongly with Goldwater's views on civil rights; he would later say, "Whites and Negroes, in my opinion, have got to learn to know each other. Barry Goldwater didn't have any background to understand this, to fathom them, and I couldn't get through to him."

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