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Oct 4, 2012 00:30:32   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Richard94611 wrote:
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama said he would accomplish that he did accomplish and your statement that he never followed through on any of his promises. He got Obamacare passed, and that, in my opinion, was a great accomplishment as well as the fulfillment of a promise. It is true that Republicans kept him from achieving many other things he wanted to achieve. But your statement is the usual Republican hyperbole. It is false.


1eyedjack wrote:
Obama never followed through on any of his 2088 promises.
Obama got wiped in the debate. I think Ob went home and cried in his pillow.
All one has to do is find one thing that Obama sai... (show quote)


It is the way he got Obamacare passed and it is not what the American people wanted.

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Oct 4, 2012 00:36:04   #
1eyedjack
 
Obama care is the downfall to socialized medicine. Next is for Obama to socialize government. The worst is to come if
obamacare is not shut down,because the taxes within the
2000 pages we couldn't read until it passed. It's really
a middle class killer..

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Oct 4, 2012 00:59:12   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Blurry, I don't think Obama did nearly as well as he should have and could have. It is good to have your opinion, and certainly I felt a lot of emotional undertones about his performance. But remember that your statement is just your opinion, and you are not an objective observer any more than I am. I note that you did not respond the the facts and math I posted. You really need to give them some thought as they indicate the quality of Romney's intended actions.



Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
The day after the election will be an interesting one in this forum.

I agree that Obama was disappointing in this debate. I don't agree that Romney's positions would be good for this country.

Romney was the smoothest I have ever seen him.


Richard, my opinion is that the president approached this debate the same way that he approaches his job, half heartedly somehow thinking that his silver tongue would pull him through. The press has refused to do their job in asking the president the hard questions that they have asked every other president and tonight he was finally held to some sort of account... It will only get worse in the next two debates because as we see the middle east melting down and the resurgence of Al Queda his Bin Laden's dead slogan will not hold up to a real look into his foreign policy.... the events of this last month keep getting uglier and uglier for the president as his lack of efforts in several areas are finally coming to light... He is a rock star, but he is not a leader and he can not stand shoulder to shoulder with Romney in a setting like this and BS his way out of it... That was clearly evident tonight.
quote=Richard94611 The day after the election wil... (show quote)

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Oct 4, 2012 01:11:56   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blurry, I don't think Obama did nearly as well as he should have and could have. It is good to have your opinion, and certainly I felt a lot of emotional undertones about his performance. But remember that your statement is just your opinion, and you are not an objective observer any more than I am. I note that you did not respond the the facts and math I posted. You really need to give them some thought as they indicate the quality of Romney's intended actions.


Well you are right Richard it is my opinion and I will not deny that I am partisan as that has clearly been on display over the course of the last few months... It is hard to evaluate Romney's tax plan without having more information about it.. I saw in another discussion that he was also raising personal exemptions, you also need to consider that about 1/2 the country pays no mortgage so in true democratic fashion I would ask of you if it is not somehow fair that that deduction not go away? But at any rate, we will see tomorrow what some of the fact checkers have come up with. I did however like his firmness when he said that he will not be placing a higher burden on the middle class, to me he seemed sincere, I know for you that may be harder to believe just as I don't believe most of what comes from the Obama campaign.

Take care, I'm going to sleep...

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Oct 4, 2012 02:49:59   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
One of the great problems with Romney, as many people have observed, is that we don't get the specifics of any of these plans. Then we must rely on our judgement about whether or not we can trust the man. His opinions on issues have flip-flopped so badly that I don't feel I can believe him. I like to think that I am fairly good at evaluating character, having had to do it in a number of cultures. I don't trust him.


Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Blurry, I don't think Obama did nearly as well as he should have and could have. It is good to have your opinion, and certainly I felt a lot of emotional undertones about his performance. But remember that your statement is just your opinion, and you are not an objective observer any more than I am. I note that you did not respond the the facts and math I posted. You really need to give them some thought as they indicate the quality of Romney's intended actions.


Well you are right Richard it is my opinion and I will not deny that I am partisan as that has clearly been on display over the course of the last few months... It is hard to evaluate Romney's tax plan without having more information about it.. I saw in another discussion that he was also raising personal exemptions, you also need to consider that about 1/2 the country pays no mortgage so in true democratic fashion I would ask of you if it is not somehow fair that that deduction not go away? But at any rate, we will see tomorrow what some of the fact checkers have come up with. I did however like his firmness when he said that he will not be placing a higher burden on the middle class, to me he seemed sincere, I know for you that may be harder to believe just as I don't believe most of what comes from the Obama campaign.

Take care, I'm going to sleep...
quote=Richard94611 Blurry, I don't think Obama di... (show quote)

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Oct 4, 2012 03:48:06   #
Mattie
 
tom kf4wol wrote:
The savior will demand a Teleyprompter for his next Butt kicking..hard to defend 8 percent unemployment, billions taken out of Medicare, billions pissed away on failing solar buddies, sixteen trillion in debt and soaring, no leadership when border patro, embassy and raghead police trainees keep killing our troops...He'll peanut Carter was bad..the savior...an empty chair ole Clint got it right!


naw.... he'd be writing on his hands, or have his ear piece wired directly to Axelrod and his 'book of thoughts' to 'rush'
the answer quickly to him... and to keep 'em rolling too.

Obama looked like the fool he is ~~ Perhaps it was cause it was his DATE NIGHT tonight... and he was thinking of that good Steak for himself and Lobster for the Missus.. afterwards...

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Oct 4, 2012 05:47:30   #
harrimg
 
So, if Romney wins, does this mean that Obama will not get his United Socialists States of America?

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Oct 4, 2012 05:49:45   #
workhorse Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Mattie, that is "Sweety" not Missus. Did anyone other than me notice the two latino women on the MSNBC panel after the debate? The moderator pointed out that they are one of the groups Obama is going after and when asked if they would vote for him they responded that they would because of "likeability". The woman on the top sais she would vote for Obama because he "looked into the camera more, he looked right into millions of homes". The other one said she was impressed by Obama because "she didn't know any millionaires". There you have it, a great representation of Obama's supporters and the Latino community.

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Oct 4, 2012 06:08:04   #
Mattie
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
The day after the election will be an interesting one in this forum.

I agree that Obama was disappointing in this debate. I don't agree that Romney's positions would be good for this country.

Romney was the smoothest I have ever seen him.


Richard, my opinion is that the president approached this debate the same way that he approaches his job, half heartedly somehow thinking that his silver tongue would pull him through. The press has refused to do their job in asking the president the hard questions that they have asked every other president and tonight he was finally held to some sort of account... It will only get worse in the next two debates because as we see the middle east melting down and the resurgence of Al Queda his Bin Laden's dead slogan will not hold up to a real look into his foreign policy.... the events of this last month keep getting uglier and uglier for the president as his lack of efforts in several areas are finally coming to light... He is a rock star, but he is not a leader and he can not stand shoulder to shoulder with Romney in a setting like this and BS his way out of it... That was clearly evident tonight.
quote=Richard94611 The day after the election wil... (show quote)

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Not to knock your 'silver tongue' description of Obama.. he does not have a silver tongue.. he has an 'acid tongue' cause he delights in belittle'ing people cause it makes him feel superior.

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Oct 4, 2012 06:15:09   #
Mattie
 
workhorse wrote:
Mattie, that is "Sweety" not Missus. Did anyone other than me notice the two latino women on the MSNBC panel after the debate? The moderator pointed out that they are one of the groups Obama is going after and when asked if they would vote for him they responded that they would because of "likeability". The woman on the top sais she would vote for Obama because he "looked into the camera more, he looked right into millions of homes". The other one said she was impressed by Obama because "she didn't know any millionaires". There you have it, a great representation of Obama's supporters and the Latino community.
Mattie, that is "Sweety" not Missus. Di... (show quote)

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Oh I was referring to Obama's lesser half... Michelle... I did notice she had a dress on with SLEEVES..... as you know those ladies on The View said she has such beautiful arms... so after they told her that.. she got the 'big' head and has been in 'demand' in all the magazines and books... showing off those 'beautiful arms'....to everybody in this country and as well as all over the world.... so am surprised she had on SLEEVES to cover those Arms of Art...!!

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Oct 4, 2012 06:21:47   #
donrent Loc: Punta Gorda , Fl
 
workhorse wrote:
Mattie, that is "Sweety" not Missus. Did anyone other than me notice the two latino women on the MSNBC panel after the debate? The moderator pointed out that they are one of the groups Obama is going after and when asked if they would vote for him they responded that they would because of "likeability". The woman on the top sais she would vote for Obama because he "looked into the camera more, he looked right into millions of homes". The other one said she was impressed by Obama because "she didn't know any millionaires". There you have it, a great representation of Obama's supporters and the Latino community.
Mattie, that is "Sweety" not Missus. Di... (show quote)

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Not to mention the "mentality" of them either...

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Oct 4, 2012 06:26:51   #
BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida
 
harrimg wrote:
So, if Romney wins, does this mean that Obama will not get his United Socialists States of America?


I'm more worried that it means I won't get to write off the mortgage interest on my house.

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Oct 4, 2012 06:30:20   #
dragonfist Loc: Stafford, N.Y.
 
Neither man is going to get anything done unless he can get congress off their collective butts. I liked some of Romney's ideas and some of President Obama's ideas so it is kind of a wash with me. However they are only one person having to deal with 535 inmates in the congressional asylum. 100 senators and 435 congressman and each pandering to anyone that will get them votes. Until those idiots start putting the welfare of WE the people ahead of their own selfish concerns the whole country is going to continue to go to hell in a handbasket. I am far more concerned with both parties working together for the common good than I am about who is leading them. He or she is only one person and can't do much without their approval.

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Oct 4, 2012 06:45:25   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


What else would he do with the oil, after all he just finished
skinning the snake that was next to him, plus, he created
a job( selling snake oil ) which the Demos will over tax him
on, now he'll have to buy insurance, plus meet all kind of
regulation from the DEQ, and by the time he finish he will
have to start laying people off, reason being he's not in
the union, so he want be getting any DEMO bail out money.
But on the bright side, He did skin the SNAKE, which is all
that matter's at the end.

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Oct 4, 2012 06:53:53   #
sudzmonn Loc: here , there , everywhere
 
my opinion is that the president approached this debate the same way that he approaches his job, half heartedly somehow thinking that his silver tongue would pull him through.

think things are catching up to him , I do !

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