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Oct 4, 2012 08:49:42   #
Kit Lens
 
Aummer, I think you misunderstand the Romney plan for the set deduction. Let's say that 15K is used as a standard deduction or for that matter 10% of your income. You still have to claim those deductions. You cannot under what Romney explained just take a deduction without actually having it.
In the end if you don't itemize, you can't claim a deduction for mortgage, charity or anything else.

I for one would take a major hit if I lost the mortgage deduction and in the end you would effectively be raising my taxes whether or not you want to call it that.

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Oct 4, 2012 08:55:44   #
terry1938
 
In Australia, our taxation system does not permit home owners to claim their mortgage interest as a taxation deduction, unless part or all of the home is used for bisiness premises. If you own business premises, e.g retail premises or a warehouse, you can claim your mortgage interest as a deduction. Everyone accepts this system as fair and reasonable for taxation purposes.

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Oct 4, 2012 08:56:49   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
debates are not about winning or losing??? hmmm
why waste time having them...that sounds pretty much like a losers comment...pore old Barry Husseins butt is pretty sore this morning , I guess..

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Oct 4, 2012 08:58:19   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Yes,it was interesting. As I said, Romney was a lot smoother than I have ever seen him before. But do you dispute my point about loopholes and deductions, or does that just not matter to you ?

And by the way, Croce, my thanks that you didn't make us all wade through 2,000 words to make your point. Your brevity was a pleasant change.


Blurryeyed wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


LOL Romney kicked Obama's azz so much so that MSNBC had a meltdown.... it was really funny to watch, also saw a focus group that was made up of over 50% Obama voters who not only agreed but about 3/4 of the group said that they would be voting for Romney after the debate.... Obama got smoked.. The focus group was amazing, about 24 people who before the debate would have split for Obama after the debate Obama had only about 4 supporters left... It was a great night for Romney... It will be interesting to see the post debate polls when they come out in a few days...
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Well first off you get a 20% discount on your tax rate.. which is a start... This business of thinking that the wealthy are somehow going to pay all of your bills is BS... and it is Obama who truly is the snake oil salesman as he has no plans to do anything differently than he has done for the last 4 years, more of the SOS and it is not working while he is running on historic deficits...

Romney explained very well why he can't explain his tax plan as he can only lay out the principles and the actual plan will be debated and written in Congress. He did promise to the American people that he will not demand that the middle class pay anymore in taxes and that he is not interested in cutting taxes for the wealthy.... Those are Obama lies, he said that his tax plan will be deficit neutral, and that is something that the American people can hold him to account to..
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the actual plan will be written in some corperate room by corperate lawyers and handed to some rep to introduce.

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Oct 4, 2012 09:01:10   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


I agree with you. He's very good at deceptive meanings. Just watch and listen to his words very closely. He's very good at telling you a lie and making someone believe him. Although i believe the President did an off par performance. I don't know if it was by design but he needs to be more asertive. That was only the first debate and I expect the President will be more dramatic in his next two debates. I believe the Presidents team wanted to see what snake oil performance Romney will come forth in the first debate and they will eat him alive in the next two debates.
In the after debate standings i still believe the president will be holding his own, he may slip in some states but not anything to be concerned about. Romney has a unlikeable problem and trust problem and he can't shake that in the short term.

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Oct 4, 2012 09:04:51   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
By cutting taxes across the board by 20%, the Romney plan will put a greater amount in an individuals pocket on a week to week basis, while closing the loopholes will only be apparent with smaller tax returns in April. This leads to more liquid money to be spent throughout the year. Considering that so many people like to cry about how the wealthy have access to so many more loopholes, it seems evident to me that the loophole closing will affect the more wealthy.Even with closing certain loopholes, the average middleclass person will see a net reduction in the tax burden they now carry. As for not giving details, the Presidents supporters are crying that Mr.Romney was ignoring the time constraints as they were , and what was he doing:Explaining and correcting Pres. Obama's statements. The reason Pres. Obama did not push Mr. Romney on the so called "flip flops" is that he actually has not been doing that but is having to deal with slanted reporting and campaign spinning of everything he has said. The President realized that Mr Romney was going to call him on these items so he backed down. Sure is easier to put words in someones mouth when they are not on stage with you to set the record straight

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Oct 4, 2012 09:06:48   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
Saw where Dennis Miller said that he wondered if "Butt whipping" was covered by Obamacare.
wilpharm wrote:
debates are not about winning or losing??? hmmm
why waste time having them...that sounds pretty much like a losers comment...pore old Barry Husseins butt is pretty sore this morning , I guess..

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Oct 4, 2012 09:12:16   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
terry1938 wrote:
I am fascinated by the attitudes of USA citizens on the Obama-Romney debate. Firstly, the USA would not be in the frightful financial mess it is if George Bush was elected President for two terms and financed wars on credit. Dont blame Obama for that.
Secondly, the GFC was largely due to the largely deregulated activities of the finance sector, the deregulation being introduced by the Republican administration. Dont blame Obama for that.
When Clinton left office, the US economy was stable and debt was under control. Bush and his cronies plundered this legacy. How can a country pay off its debts without a fair taxation system which involves ALL sectors of society. From my reading of Romney's fiscal policy, the repayment of the USA's debt seems to take second place to his placating vested interests in society.
This is a recipe for disaster. I thank God that I live in Australia, but am terrified of the impact that a future Republican administration will have on western democracies throughout the world.
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Terry,
I am glad you are fascinated by American Attitudes. I would suggest that you also learn to do research, who if I may ask removed the 30% requirement for a mortgage? Now as for George Bush, he was bad no argument there. Not blaming anyone including Bush, since the problems went much further back than most realize.
Now as for Clinton, the country did fairly well under him, but things did not go as planned. The balanced budget extrapolated out ten years to do so. It took into account job growth and taxes being paid. Those things did not happen. Now we have to deal with 9-11, sure we went to war, and it got out of hand agreed needed to end earlier. Now reading his policy and what actually occurs if he gets elected are two different things. He did a fairly good job in Mass, the Dems don't like to admit it. Actually the debt is a big problem that has to be addressed, but the agenda that Obama is following is worse. The American people can not afford four more years of this man's policies, the cost is far too great and will cause the USA to be bankrupt.
Glad you live in Australia, I enjoy visiting my friends in Australia, as for your being terrified, start looking at how Sharia is working to change your country. Start paying attention to the socialists in your country.

George

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Oct 4, 2012 09:17:45   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Lou,
You like Obama, that is obvious. Now care to explain all of Obama's promises that he did not deliver? Both parties want their man elected, so be it. One thing Romney ran a state that is successful, has the highest educational standing, care to tell us what Obama ran before becoming president. You also need to get a subscription to the Congressional Record.

George

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Oct 4, 2012 09:19:15   #
jkm757 Loc: San Diego, Ca.
 
dragonfist wrote:
Neither man is going to get anything done unless he can get congress off their collective butts. I liked some of Romney's ideas and some of President Obama's ideas so it is kind of a wash with me. However they are only one person having to deal with 535 inmates in the congressional asylum. 100 senators and 435 congressman and each pandering to anyone that will get them votes. Until those idiots start putting the welfare of WE the people ahead of their own selfish concerns the whole country is going to continue to go to hell in a handbasket. I am far more concerned with both parties working together for the common good than I am about who is leading them. He or she is only one person and can't do much without their approval.
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Oct 4, 2012 09:20:35   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


In order to take your mortgage you have to itemize and give up the $5,800 standard deduction. Romney is proposing a standard deduction of $7,000. That will benefit more people than the current system.

In my neck of the wood is you can afford a mortgage that generates a $1, 000 a month in interest they you are one of those "rich" that every one is out to geet.

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Oct 4, 2012 09:20:53   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
dpullum wrote:
Indeed Romney won the aggression prize. He appeared to be spiced with the hopped up appearance of Amphetamine (speed), uncontrolled regarding time constraints by wimpish Jim Learer, and changing what he plans to do if he were president gave him the edge. Easier to blow smoke than to deal with reality... Kudos Romney you win the people lose.


Shouldn't that be "We won - YOU lose!"

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Oct 4, 2012 09:24:48   #
Kit Lens
 
Over the past several months I did figure out one thing about the candidates and the most disturbing wasn't that I didn't like romney, it was that Romney doesn't like me.
I'm one of those takers. After working only 55 years, I began claiming social security. So now, I'm a 47%'r. He doesn't consider me a job creator but my taxes & expenditures support the police, fire department, sanitation department, public works department, the Lawn Doctor guy, UPS, the Post Office, my local repair shop, grocery store and restaurant to name a few. Yet Romney/Ryan don't like me because I don't own a small business or better yet a large corporation.
So in the end, why put someone in the White House who is looking at me as a leech.
No thanks guys. I'll stick with Obama.

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Oct 4, 2012 09:28:31   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Kit Lens wrote:
Aummer, I think you misunderstand the Romney plan for the set deduction. Let's say that 15K is used as a standard deduction or for that matter 10% of your income. You still have to claim those deductions. You cannot under what Romney explained just take a deduction without actually having it.
In the end if you don't itemize, you can't claim a deduction for mortgage, charity or anything else.

I for one would take a major hit if I lost the mortgage deduction and in the end you would effectively be raising my taxes whether or not you want to call it that.
Aummer, I think you misunderstand the Romney plan ... (show quote)


You have to give up the itemized deductions in order to use the standard deduction. Unless you are running your own business most people don't have enough deductions to itemize so an increase in the standard deduction is going to benefit them.

Of course, it is not possible to run your own business anymore acordign to Obama: remember the famous "You did not build it" speech?

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Oct 4, 2012 09:37:41   #
blitz67 Loc: Cape Cod
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the debate. Romney was much smoother than I have ever before seen him -- but still lying and trying to sell snake oil deceptively.

For instance, let's look at his statement that he won't raise taxes. One of his oft-repeated goals, he has said repeatedly in past months, is that he will achieve his financial goals "without raising taxes." He has also stated that he will achieve much of this by closing "loopholes," and one of the loopholes he intends to close is the household mortgage interest deduction.

Well, now, let's look at the math. If you are buying a house and paying $1,000/month in interest, which is a low amount here in California, that means you no longer get to deduct 12 x 1,000 from your income. Let us assume you stay within the 15% tax bracket on your earnings. Fifteen percent of $12,000 is $1,800, which is the additional amount you will have to pay on your income tax. No, Romney won't raise taxes. He will achieve the same thing by not allowing you deductions you have had for years, and effectively by making you pay more.

Romney is a snake oil salesman.
Just finished watching Romney and Obama in the deb... (show quote)


You can try to scare everyone like a typical dem about losing your mortgage deduction, but take into place the other deductions that are going to be added, it works out as almost a wash. Never mind, after my share of Obama care is paid for, my mortgage deduction is wiped out two fold. The numbers don't lie.

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