Lens Refurbishing
Dec 13, 2019 12:45:34 #
[quote=Kozan]The problem with buying refurbished equipment is that if the original had a faulty part, the manufacturer is going to replace that same type of faulty part.
I think you are being unduly pessimistic about this. if the part is faulty, It is a likely that the manufacturer has already see the problem and rectified it. So you could get something better.
You always take a chance that there was a fault to begin with. In time, it will fail again.
That's also too pessimistic. Did a part fail due to manufacturing failures? The it's just one part, and it will not likely fail again. Most manufacturers of any product expect a certain number of bad parts in a batch, and are willing to accept a few and warranty the product. Or someone has figured out they can kill a few folks and pay off the families (see Ford Pinto) and it will bee cheaper that relocating the fuel tank, but I don't think that's likely with a camera.
I think just a simple inspection by a trained person can relieve you of your doubts
I think you are being unduly pessimistic about this. if the part is faulty, It is a likely that the manufacturer has already see the problem and rectified it. So you could get something better.
You always take a chance that there was a fault to begin with. In time, it will fail again.
That's also too pessimistic. Did a part fail due to manufacturing failures? The it's just one part, and it will not likely fail again. Most manufacturers of any product expect a certain number of bad parts in a batch, and are willing to accept a few and warranty the product. Or someone has figured out they can kill a few folks and pay off the families (see Ford Pinto) and it will bee cheaper that relocating the fuel tank, but I don't think that's likely with a camera.
I think just a simple inspection by a trained person can relieve you of your doubts
Dec 13, 2019 13:04:00 #
TriX wrote:
Why would one assume that a refurbished product receives a more thorough QA testing than a new product off the assembly line? This is often repeated, but is there any evidence it is true?
Canon:
"Canon technicians perform comprehensive quality assurance inspections, replacing any needed parts with genuine Canon equipment. Plus, all refurbished products are backed by our standard 1-Year limited warranty.*"
Nikon
"Nikon refurbished products have been restored to factory specifications and carry a 90-day limited warranty"
Adorama
States in item adds "Refurbished by <manufacturer name>"
B&H
In their definition of refurbished "Restored by the manufacturer to original factory specifications"
You can't do these things without testing them to make sure they are met.
Dec 13, 2019 13:04:50 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
A $100/hr tech spends 30-minutes testing, then they sell the lens for a 12% discount with a 90-day warranty. That it has more QA verification than one directly from the factory has got to be true? Right, you read it on the internet ....
Canon backs with a full year just as on new.
Dec 13, 2019 13:06:20 #
camerapapi wrote:
First thing first, do not compare a refurb camera ... (show quote)
Though with Nikon eliminating certified service centers, I wonder if the days Nikon refurbished are numbered.
Dec 13, 2019 13:08:02 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
That's not what Canon's own website says ....
Actually it sort of is
"Canon technicians perform comprehensive quality assurance inspections, replacing any needed parts with genuine Canon equipment. Plus, all refurbished products are backed by our standard 1-Year limited warranty.*"
Dec 13, 2019 13:08:58 #
nadelewitz wrote:
In general, "refurbishing" camera gear can mean whatever the refurbisher wants it to mean. External cleaning, changing a battery, cleaning front & rear lens, checking proper operation, new packaging....ANYTHING.
To think that a dealer will "rebuild" a lens, whatever that entails, is a bit much.
"Detailing" a car is the same thing. It doesn't include rebuilding an engine.
To think that a dealer will "rebuild" a lens, whatever that entails, is a bit much.
"Detailing" a car is the same thing. It doesn't include rebuilding an engine.
Which is why you only by refurbished from a place that says what they mean by that.
Dec 13, 2019 13:11:15 #
Kozan wrote:
The problem with buying refurbished equipment is that if the original had a faulty part, the manufacturer is going to replace that same type of faulty part. You always take a chance that there was a fault to begin with. In time, it will fail again.
Kozan
Kozan
WHAT? You think they keep extra faulty parts around in case they need one for a refurb? That makes no sense.
They replace the faulty part with one they know will work and then they check it. At least in the case of Canon and Nikon.
Dec 13, 2019 14:25:40 #
You can't do these things without testing them to make sure they are met.[/quote]
But you must define testing. Manufacturers are like Alice in Wonderland. Testing is what they mean it to be and nothing else.
But you must define testing. Manufacturers are like Alice in Wonderland. Testing is what they mean it to be and nothing else.
Dec 13, 2019 15:04:49 #
Rewrapping in plastic wrap will fulfill 'replacing any needed parts with genuine Canon equipment.'
Dec 13, 2019 15:11:11 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Rewrapping in plastic wrap will fulfill 'replacing any needed parts with genuine Canon equipment.'
Exactly. (depends on who makes the statement.)
Dec 13, 2019 15:48:50 #
I bought a refurbished lens from Cameta Camera. They stand behind the lens for some reasonable time (I don't remember just how long). Most reputable dealers will offer similar deals. If the lens won't pass muster, you should know it within a weeks worth of use.
Dec 13, 2019 16:33:22 #
Hawkowl
Loc: Ithaca, NY
I agree with you that reheated meatloaf doesn't taste the same--but I never reheat it because I actually prefer meatloaf cold, with ketchup, between bread in a sandwich. One of my favorites!
Dec 13, 2019 16:48:54 #
dsmeltz wrote:
WHAT? You think they keep extra faulty parts around in case they need one for a refurb? That makes no sense.
They replace the faulty part with one they know will work and then they check it. At least in the case of Canon and Nikon.
They replace the faulty part with one they know will work and then they check it. At least in the case of Canon and Nikon.
Dec 13, 2019 17:33:06 #
With the exception of my 100-400 II lens, all my bodies and other lenses are factory refurbished. I made that decision after talking to a technician at the repair center who basically told me what Paul references in his replay. The best decision I ever made when it comes to my photo equipment. FWIW
WJH
WJH
Dec 13, 2019 19:31:14 #
Hawkowl wrote:
I agree with you that reheated meatloaf doesn't taste the same--but I never reheat it because I actually prefer meatloaf cold, with ketchup, between bread in a sandwich. One of my favorites!
Ketchup for reheated meatloaf, (and mine reheats just fine). For a cold meatloaf sandwich it’s mustard!
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