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Aug 15, 2019 17:16:44   #
DAN Phillips Loc: Graysville, GA
 
Yep!

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Aug 15, 2019 19:05:59   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
I agree with it as well.
Same goes with most professions.
Many professions however don't have much interest with the general public.
It is threatening to some to know that someone that does their profession as a hobby or other, is just as good or at least competent at it.
Consider a photographer for instance that started out in film. The amount of shots, and resulting feedback for experience in a year or 2 are done in a month or less today.

As long as the beginner, intermediate and experienced in any field are mixed in the same forum, you will have the same result.

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Aug 16, 2019 06:26:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Wallen wrote:
If you are reading this, perhaps you now understand the absurdity of some of the things being discussed.


Have you looked in the Attic lately?


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Aug 16, 2019 06:31:44   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Wallen wrote:
A lot of Uglies (hehe) take sides on just about any topic. The worst happens when it is about professional gear and processing.
I might be mistaken but i believe we should define the terms precisely so everyone would be looking at the same apple.

A. A professional is someone who earns their living from their activity.
It does not always mean they are experts in their careers, just that they are earning out of it.
An attitude or way that directly improves the activity

B. An amateur does things for the love of doing it. They do not get paid and although it also means incompetent, many amateurs are far better and knowledgeable than some professionals.

C. Hobbyist are those who endure serious leisure pursuit having no significant professional counterpart and being too poorly remunerated to constitute a livelihood. Hobbies are usually, but not always, practiced primarily for interest and enjoyment, rather than financial reward.


Well if we look at the above meanings, then:
1. There is no such thing as a hobby photographer as photography is a career choice.
2. There is no limit to what can be called a professional camera. Professional is the person and whatever that person is using is a professional tool. Is there an entry level hammer? or an entry level phone?
3. If we look at boxers, we can also see that being a professional does not always mean you get better the longer you are into it.
4. If someone get paid, he is no longer an amateur but either good or bad professional
5. Professional only means there is money involved. An amateur racer, basketball player and so on, do not get a power up just because he signs a contract.
6. Professional only means there is money involved. The more he can rely on it as a primary means of living then the more professional he gets.
7. A Celphone is a professional camera when used by Pollock.
8. A Nikon F is an amature camera
9. The Canon 7D is expensive
10. Just like fish and meat, some like it raw, some like it scooc
11. Neutral grey will join the nearest software.
12. If you are reading this, perhaps you now understand the absurdity of some of the things being discussed.

We are all in the same boat, let us learn together instead of butting heads and rowing our own way...

Hedgehogs in all their prickly glory can sit side by side together in the same den because they are family.
A lot of Uglies (hehe) take sides on just about an... (show quote)


You’re ethnic slur is unnecessary and detracts from your intended theme.

Because you used that slur people will assume you are ignorant.

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Aug 16, 2019 06:40:23   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
JD750 wrote:
You’re ethnic slur is unnecessary and detracts from your intended theme.

Because you used that slur people will assume you are ignorant.


What ethnic slur??

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Aug 16, 2019 06:42:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JD750 wrote:
You’re ethnic slur is unnecessary and detracts from your intended theme.

Because you used that slur people will assume you are ignorant.


WHAT slur, "Uglies"??
I didn't, I thought he just took the first part of the title (made it plural), especially with the "(hehe)" after it.
Jump the gun a bit?

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Aug 16, 2019 06:52:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Longshadow wrote:
WHAT slur, "Uglies"??
I didn't, I thought he just took the first part of the title (made it plural), especially with the "(hehe)" after it.
Jump the gun a bit?


Maybe he is ignorant about Jackson Pollock?

https://www.jackson-pollock.org/

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Aug 16, 2019 06:59:19   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Longshadow wrote:
I Googled "Pollock"...
(I don't think he used them at the time, but may have if they were available (or he lived in this time).)

My point was the reference was not derogatory.


Your reference to Mr. Pollack has no value as you tried to use his name as deflector for my response. Your thoughts are yours and so be it. Enjoy your day.Bye.

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Aug 16, 2019 07:08:48   #
Dannj
 
Wallen:
Your grammar and spelling need work. I can’t give credence to anyone who doesn’t care enough about their work to proofread.
Just my opinion, of course.

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Aug 16, 2019 07:50:36   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Dannj wrote:
Wallen:
Your grammar and spelling need work. I can’t give credence to anyone who doesn’t care enough about their work to proofread.
Just my opinion, of course.


You 'can't' or 'won't'?

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Aug 16, 2019 07:59:56   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Gene51 wrote:
Couldn't agree more. And it is one more example of a very annoying troll post, which we have way too many of on this forum already. After taking the minute or so to read the rantings of the madman (I use that term only because he seems to have written it before his morning coffee or after a bad night and he sounds mad), I have not furthered my photographic knowledge one bit - another complete and total waste of my time.


I'm with you, Gene!!
Thanks for posting your comments.
Mark

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Aug 16, 2019 08:00:10   #
Dannj
 
jbk224 wrote:
You 'can't' or 'won't'?


Can’t. It’s genetic😊

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Aug 16, 2019 08:09:55   #
khorinek
 
I enjoy this forum for what it is, a place to share and discuss (in a nice way). Posts that we don't agree with can be ignored. If a reader acts up on here, that is on them, not the person posting. I get the feeling some people refrain from asking questions here for fear they may be ripped apart by the readers. As a "professional" photographer, thick skin is a must. I once made a comment on here that I do not prefer B&W photos. I got reamed over the coals for making that comment. I don't care, that's my preference but I continue here because I enjoy reading about photography and photographers. We should not take life and this forum so seriously.
"Life is inherently risky. There is only one big risk you should avoid at all costs, and that is the risk of doing nothing." Denis Waitley

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Aug 16, 2019 08:10:20   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
CO wrote:
The plastic one in the photo is a vernier caliper. Those are available in stainless steel also. Machinists normally use dial calipers or digital calipers.


As the owner of a Calibration laboratory with 50 years of experience, I can tell you some machinists still use vernier calipers. Some use plastic calipers. Some use dial calipers. Some use digital calipers. The point being not all "professionals" use the latest and greatest. Same with photographers, pro or amateurs.

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Aug 16, 2019 08:21:36   #
Whuff Loc: Marshalltown, Iowa
 
CO wrote:
2. There is no limit to what can be called a professional camera. Professional is the person and whatever that person is using is a professional tool. Is there an entry level hammer? or an entry level phone?

I don't agree with item 2. Was this really a written meaning in a book? There are some tools that could be considered amateur and professional. For example, I use precision measuring instruments in a machine shop. Calipers are used extensively for making measurements. The least accurate are made of plastic and would not be considered by people making a living as a machinist. Only a hobbyist would consider those. The best ones are stainless steel and even have carbide jaws for wear resistance. The best ones even have digital readouts.
2. There is no limit to what can be called a profe... (show quote)


I spent 32 years as a machinist. Verniers were only used to get a rough idea of measurement. They were not accurate enough for measuring final dimensions. I wouldn’t call them precision instruments, but I get your point.

Walt

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