Frank I know this has been brought up numerous times before but apparently you simply refuse to acknowledge facts. The HIPAA act protects medical records of all of us including mental health patients.

Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or t***smitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12

“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:

the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
the provision of health care to the individual, or
the past, present, or future payment for the provision of health care to the individual,
and that identifies the individual or for which there is a reasonable basis to believe it can be used to identify the individual.13 Individually identifiable health information includes many common identifiers (e.g., name, address, birth date, Social Security Number).

Even the NRA has tried to get this information released but was not successful. This is the reason past shooters have not been reported to the DOJ/NCIC records. But those of you who think that simply passing a law will cause potential shooters to think twice about their actions, the Form 4473 does ask if the person purchasing the firearm has mental health problems. My gosh, one would think the person would answer t***hfully on a Federal form, huh? But to our dismay, over 60,000 people lied on the form in one year, a felony under perjury. Who would have thought that would happen? To my knowledge not one of those people who committed perjury was even investigated. Darn the bad luck.

You see Frank we do have protections in place but they are only for honest citizens. Criminals don't obey the laws. I am going easy on you this time because I realize as a Liberal you didn't know that fact.

I h**e to tell you this but there is no gun show loop hole as you want us to believe. I believe it is illegal to buy a firearm at a gun show without either doing the Form 4473 there or at a later date at the gun shop. Yes, it is possible for someone to go to a gun show and buy a firearm but both parties would be committing a crime in doing so. You tell us how you will stop that.

As for passing family owned firearms onto heirs or as gifts, I personally see no problem with that practice. The percentage of one of these guns being used in a crime is practically nil to begin with.

But let's say that Federal laws are passed and every state has a law stating that it is illegal to t***sfer every single firearm in America to someone else without a strict background check prior to the t***sfer. I am being sarcastic only because you deserve it. If my kids were alive I would leave them all of my firearms. They would say that I gave the firearms to them long before the law was passed which would be true. So now what Frank. Who is going to check these things especially when the incidence of crime with these weapons is so low to begin with?

As an aside Frank let's take a look at the Left's insistence on confiscating assault TYPE rifles. In reality rifles of all types, including the assault type rifles, are among the lowest percentage of any firearms used in crimes. So why the big push from the Left to ban them?

I will be right here as always waiting for your non response,

Dennis

I have always loved 1911's as well. My only one for years now is a Series 70 which has had an S&W rear sight installed along with a ramp front sight, by James Hoag in California. It was done in the 70's when I used it as an off duty weapon. It has always been very accurate and one of my favorite pistols.

My most accurate pistol is a H&K P7 that I recently sold. I seldom used it as I am not much for 9mm but it was incredibly accurate. I have never fired a CZ-75 but hear they are great pistols.

I had a chance years ago to buy a Sig P210, the old style that the Swiss used for a military pistol. Unfortunately I just did not have the money at the time. The price was for used guns but wholesale. It was a hell of a buy. I still could kick myself for not selling one of the kids at the time.

I love this discussion. Thanks for bringing it out.

Maybe next time we could get into the Colt New Service revolvers, the Colt M1909 USMC model and various older S&W N frames, from the early 1900's up to the 1950's, such as the Heavy Duty 38-44 and the Outdoorsman 38-44. Lovely firearms indeed.

Dennis

Frank you have put the entire Liberal anti gun problem into a nutshell and I truly appreciate it. I think we all do. It is the most honest thing you have ever written except for your very first sentence that makes no sense at all. You tell us that you can state what would have stopped a shooting. I am sure you mean you cannot state what would have stopped a shooting. I am sure you meant to say the opposite.

Conservatives have no mystic powers either. Nor do we have a defeatist attitude. I know I am 100% correct when I say that Conservatives do hot like school shootings, church shootings or any other shootings at all. Why would you Liberal Democrats even think we would except that it fits right into your anti Conservative and anti gun talking points. How dare you think we like school shootings.

But the problem for you Liberals Frank is that we try to look upon things from a realistic point of view, what is really going to happen, what happens if we pass this law and it doesn't work as intended. You Liberals pass laws hoping it will make a difference for the positive but not really having a damn clue.

Obamacare is one such law. Surely you remember Pelosi telling us we need to pass it to see what is in it. Seriously Frank, have you ever heard anything so abysmally stupid in your life? Did you really think that was a good thing? Even Diane Feinstein, when asked if an anti gun law would work to stop crime and shootings answered that it would not really do anything to stop crime but it was a start. Really Frank!!! Is that what you ascribe to, just passing laws that won't work but doing something? I hope not. I hope you are smarter than that.

My point Frank is we Conservatives would love to pass a gun law that would actually work as intended to stop criminals from obtaining and possessing firearms. But until that law is found the laws you Liberals, actually every law on the books, only works against honest citizens. Sure they are a guide but it is only honest citizens and sane people who follow them.

That is why I asked you for just one law, from the past or in the future, that would ever stop a crime from happening. You were sarcastic but in reality there is no law that will do that. Confiscating every single firearm from citizens as New Zealand is wanting to do is great at getting firearms away from honest citizens. But do you see criminals turning in their guns Frank? I sure do not. They will keep theirs.

Face it Frank, the only reason Liberal Democrats want to take guns away from citizens is power over those same citizens and we will not let you do that. You will not make America an unarmed populace.

Dennis

So how many times do you think the Tarasoff Rule prevented homicides?
I would speculate that there were numerous times but you can't prove that it did unless you can definitively connect cause and effect.
Same thing with gun laws. We can't prove that someone not being able to buy a gun in New York prevented a homicide. However, we can see that per-capita New York has many fewer homicides than Louisiana where it's relatively easy to buy a gun.
As to your hypothesis that we want to remove guns so we have power over you; that's just paranoia and totally unsuportable by any evidence.

Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"