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Apr 6, 2019 11:17:35   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
All I really want is:

for the mentally ill to not have access to guns,
domestic abusers to be prevented from owning guns,
felons of violent crimes shouldn't own guns.

I realize that means many current gun owners will have to turn in their's. lol

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Apr 6, 2019 11:29:59   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Excellent concept. Now, how about some meaningful and accomplishable suggestions on how to make that happen.
--Bob
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
All I really want is:

for the mentally ill to not have access to guns,
domestic abusers to be prevented from owning guns,
felons of violent crimes shouldn't own guns.

I realize that means many current gun owners will have to turn in their's. lol

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Apr 6, 2019 16:08:41   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Actually, there are many ways to accomplish this goal. Unfortunately, the right-wing gunlovers on this site will only attack anyone with any sense, so let's just say, It's time to elect people who believe in reasonable gun controls and background checks.
There was a time when even the NRA believed in background checks.

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Apr 6, 2019 16:25:28   #
Angmo
 
Frank T wrote:
Actually, there are many ways to accomplish this goal. Unfortunately, the right-wing gunlovers on this site will only attack anyone with any sense, so let's just say, It's time to elect people who believe in reasonable gun controls and background checks.
There was a time when even the NRA believed in background checks.


Are there laws against these items listed? Felons, crazies, domestic abusers? Background checks do occur too.

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Apr 6, 2019 16:30:37   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
All I really want is:

for the mentally ill to not have access to guns,
domestic abusers to be prevented from owning guns,
felons of violent crimes shouldn't own guns.

I realize that means many current gun owners will have to turn in their's. lol


Already law, end of discussion.

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Apr 6, 2019 16:32:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"

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Apr 6, 2019 16:35:30   #
Angmo
 
Frank T wrote:
Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"
Mo, br I remember when conservtives wanted to fix... (show quote)


Work with me here. The topic -

Are there laws against these items listed? Felons, crazies, domestic abusers?

Background checks do occur too.

Let’s start with the topic.

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Apr 6, 2019 16:41:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frank T wrote:
Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"
Mo, br I remember when conservtives wanted to fix... (show quote)


Ike did NOT build the interstate highway system to move cargo coasy to coast. He built it to move military vehicles up and down the east coast. That's the reason why every so many miles there MUST be a dead straight mile of road. That was the ldenght of runway needed to take off and/or land the aircraft of the 50"s

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Apr 6, 2019 16:46:13   #
Angmo
 
boberic wrote:
Ike did NOT build the interstate highway system to move cargo coasy to coast. He built it to move military vehicles up and down the east coast. That's the reason why every so many miles there MUST be a dead straight mile of road. That was the ldenght of runway needed to take off and/or land the aircraft of the 50"s


Highways convertible to backup runways exist in many countries. Thickness of concrete, easily moveable medians, barriers. Simple to spot.

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Apr 6, 2019 17:26:29   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/00mayjun/onemileinfive.cfm
--Bob

boberic wrote:
Ike did NOT build the interstate highway system to move cargo coasy to coast. He built it to move military vehicles up and down the east coast. That's the reason why every so many miles there MUST be a dead straight mile of road. That was the ldenght of runway needed to take off and/or land the aircraft of the 50"s

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Apr 6, 2019 17:32:57   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Why not have uour ID amrked?
Already a violent felon, child abuser, wife beater, ditto head?
Get a red stripe across the corner.
You show your ID. No alcohol, ammo, guns for you!

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Apr 6, 2019 17:33:48   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
boberic wrote:
Ike did NOT build the interstate highway system to move cargo coasy to coast. He built it to move military vehicles up and down the east coast. That's the reason why every so many miles there MUST be a dead straight mile of road. That was the ldenght of runway needed to take off and/or land the aircraft of the 50"s


It was also to break the railroads' corps control of freight.

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Apr 6, 2019 17:34:08   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Frank T wrote:
Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"
Mo, br I remember when conservtives wanted to fix... (show quote)


Cargo was moved coast to coast, and even across the oceans, long before Ike.

Read a book.

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Apr 6, 2019 18:08:21   #
pendennis
 
The libs always want more gun control, but are always more than willing to trample on the rights of law-abiding gun owners to get their way.

We already have a background check system in place when purchasing a gun through a Federally-licensed dealer. The breakdown in the system is when law enforcement fails to keep the Instant Check System updated when people are convicted of violent crimes, or when a lawful court order is executed to prevent so-called "crazies" and those having court orders in place for domestic violence. As an example, Dylann Roof was not allowed to own firearms, but one of the court systems in South Carolina failed to update the Federal system with his correction. How is that the fault of legitimate gun owners? The k**ler in Florida was on the radar of local, county, state, and Federal law enforcement, but still carried out his spree while at least one deputy sheriff stood by and did nothing.

If you lie on the Form 4473 background check, it's a Federal offense, but few folks are prosecuted for breaking the law.

You want people who are mentally ill from buying firearms. That's all right, but you must go through the courts to get a valid court order. People accused of crimes or mental illnesses have due process rights, and they must be upheld.

Firearms of any type are private property, and the means to seize that property has to be adjudicated in a court of law, with the defendant having the opportunity for a fair hearing, with legal counsel.

We also have private property rights guaranteed. How a person disposes of private property is their business in most cases. If you want to try and usurp that right, take your case to the Supreme Court, and let them adjudicate it.

The uproar over firearms is, in part, a canard. The liberal left in this country doesn't care a whit about due process and individual rights.

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Apr 6, 2019 19:58:52   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
Mo,
I remember when conservtives wanted to fix things that were wrong. When did the conservative movement morph into the, "there's nothing we can do" movement.

Question Conservative Answer

Mass shootings There's nothing we can do
Gun violence There's nothing we can do
Opioid Addiction There's nothing we can do
Income ine******y There's nothing we can do
Poverty There's nothing we can do

In fact, the only answer I ever hear from your side is;

Immigration Build a wall.

How about you return to the roots of your movement when you actually accomplished things.
When Eisenhower built the interstate highway system is a good example. I didn't read any books that said his answer to the question of how we were going to move cargo coast to coast as being "we cant do anything"
Mo, br I remember when conservtives wanted to fix... (show quote)


Mass shootings and violence is already against the law.

Drug abuse is against the law but you guys are keeping the drug traffic lanes open.

If you want to make more money major in electrical engineering, not womens studies.


And as far as poverty goes.....

https://www.dailywire.com/news/14525/5-statistics-showing-how-capitalism-solves-poverty-aaron-bandler


And Frank, you ain't on that train!

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