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Mar 21, 2019 12:33:53   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Leitz wrote:
You're a fine hypocrite! Whining about others not posting in the appropriate section when you yourself recently posted a moon photography topic here in Main Discussion.
Hmm, methinks you missed the purpose of that topic. It was about exposure and the specifics of when to choose aperture over shutter speed and vice versa. Surely you've seen the multiple topics often posted to main discussion after a full moon in which the OP was disappointed with results? If anyone is curious, here's the topic:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-560994-1.html

As for my "whine," sadly your comment represents what we're seeing more and more of in this age of sound bites: the belief that one need not actually read a post prior to responding to it.

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Mar 21, 2019 12:36:08   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks for your comments, Heather. I assume by your observation that you would prefer "straight" post-processing topics as opposed to the creative composites and such?

My notice doc and the section's guidelines attempted to stress that all areas are welcome. Like msilvers, you have posted very few topics to UHH since joining. I hope you'll feel comfortable enough at some point to initiate conversations in PP or elsewhere. If a section isn't meeting your needs, and you have the time and interest, take it upon yourself to start a topic. I can't guarantee how much response you'll get, only that it'll be friendly
Thanks for your comments, Heather. I assume by you... (show quote)


Yes, I prefer straight post processing topics, but I am not opposed to composites as some are very cleverly done and I appreciate that there is a place here for both and I admire those who do it well, so that is fine with me.

I am aware that I don't participate as much as I would like and will post when I feel confident enough to show my photography, but I can't help noticing that some posts get lots of replies as members seem to follow their buddies while other threads that really need a helping hand are avoided. That is human nature.

Yes, UHH members are friendly and I am happy to be here having stumbled acrossed it about 4 years ago. I suppose the main reason why we are mostly retired as we have a lot in common with the things we do and we are mostly patient at our age. As they say, birds of feathers flock together and so we feel comfortable here and have got to know each other although we haven't met. Long may it continue.

I do admire you for the amount of work you have put in on this site and it is appreciated. I may be silent, but fear not, I am here looking and learning.

H

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Mar 21, 2019 12:38:32   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
minniev wrote:
The short answer is YES. And I think, as with any moderator change, that your assuming this role (and thank you for that!) can alter the course of its development. Change is always an opportunity for growth.

The value in the specialty sections on UHH is the opportunity for more targeted and in depth conversations about the topics at hand. A post on the general section or the gallery section will garner a lot of brief responses- some helpful, some unhelpful, many redundant, and much gets lost inside the noise. Topics rise and fall quickly and are often gone in hours, never to be seen again, due to the traffic and broad range.

Specialty sections offer more opportunities for personal growth, though I don't think they pretend to be a substitute for more serious learning options like formal mentoring, classes in person or online, or even highly specialized online sites. I participate in other sites both more and less specialized than UHH, and I am also happy to take a class when there's something I want to get better at (I'm in one for artistic compositing now). But the specialty section is like a photography hangout, a coffee shop as one online friend described it. Customers can come by as often as they like, stay as long as they like, talk as much as they like. Some customers are more experienced than others, even though few are hanging out their shingles as experts. Those of us who know something have an opportunity to help those who are trying to learn that thing, and those of us who want to know something can often find someone who knows a bit more and can offer an idea.
The short answer is YES. And I think, as with any ... (show quote)
Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Minnie. You've covered the benefits of the smaller sections very well.

When I mentioned to Gene that I imprinted early on UHH and find myself always returning, I should have also said that the major reason for that is the friendships I've enjoyed here, along with the folks who are so generous with their time and experience. It is very enjoyable to share the journey with others!

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Mar 21, 2019 12:45:17   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
What kinds of topics would you like to see?

There are a number of threads there that interest me and I do respond occasionally, but many seem to be about composites, special effects and pixel editing. Those are not things normally of great interest to me. I'm more interested in getting the best results from raw image exposures. I use primarily DXO PhotoLab Elite, DXO FilmPack 5 Elite, DXO Viewpoint, and the DXO NIK Collection. I also occasionally use ON1 2019 which in many respects is a fine program but not quite in the same league as DXO. It is getting much better with each new release though and has some important tools that DXO currently lacks. Both DXO and ON1 do most of their magic directly on raw files and I generally have little interest in jpg editing.

Sometimes I'll read an interesting thread without responding because I may not have anything new or useful to add, and sometimes I'm not familiar enough with the software used to add value. I did find your cloning challenge interesting and I'm playing with it. I think it would have been an easier challenge if you had uploaded a higher resolution version of the images though.

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Mar 21, 2019 12:48:24   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Bill_de wrote:
IMHO there are way too many sections to be effective. There seem to be several sections whose purpose is to critique and hopefully help show how to improve an image. Tutorials locked at the top of a section could be referenced in a critique, rather than repeating the same thing over and over again.

There is a section for Birds in Flight, in Water. I post mostly perched bird photos. When I happen to get a bird in flight ( potluck on my part) or a bird in the water, I'm not going to post them separately from an eagle sitting in a tree. My shoot from yesterday would have been divided into two sections. A single Bird section might get more traffic. Again, with any tutorials on the subject locked at the top for easy reference.

There are a few people on UHH who write, sometimes long, but very detailed tutorials. To get the word out they have to post them over and over again.

I often look at the Train section by seldom have anything to add, so I don't get there often enough.

This may not make sense, or be possible, but if the number of sections were streamlined the moderators could share the work. Now for the crazy part, I hate to say it, one new section, that nobody can reply to. Each day or week or whatever each section moderator select one picture from their sections in the new section, with a link back to where it came from. It would be an uncluttered visual advertisement. Right now if, for example, Linda posts a link in the main discussion section recommending a visit to the PP section, it disappears into oblivion very shortly. One picture a day 'advertising' each section would have some staying power.

With the number of photos being posted in the main discussion section by long time members, maybe we should do away with the Photo Gallery.

I think it is lunch time. Bye, Bye

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IMHO there are way too many sections to be effecti... (show quote)
Very interesting idea, Bill, to have a stickied advertisement. I like it! And yeah, what's up with all the misplacement of Gallery photo-shares to main forum? Have you worn out your "report issue" button yet?

There is definitely overlap among some sections, though others are unique. When I hosted the discussion topic, If we create a landscape forum, what would it be about?, I suggested that it doesn't make sense to have another section that's solely thumbs-up on pretty pictures.

Casual visitors to some of the specialty sections may miss the feature that Minnie talked about: the opportunity to have in-depth conversations, which would include constructive feedback.

Appreciate your time; hope lunch was good!

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Mar 21, 2019 12:50:35   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
DWU2 wrote:
I, for one, find the post-processing forum among the most useful, and am disappointed when no one has posted to it.
Thanks, Dan. Invite (and remind as often as necessary) your friends!

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Mar 21, 2019 12:51:17   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Hmm, methinks you missed the purpose of that topic. It was about exposure and the specifics of when to choose aperture over shutter speed and vice versa. Surely you've seen the multiple topics often posted to main discussion after a full moon in which the OP was disappointed with results? If anyone is curious, here's the topic:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-560994-1.html

As for my "whine," sadly your comment represents what we're seeing more and more of in this age of sound bites: the belief that one need not actually read a post prior to responding to it.
Hmm, methinks you missed the purpose of that topic... (show quote)



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Mar 21, 2019 12:54:24   #
Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast
 
I like having a post production forum, closeup forum, etc., because of the pleasure of being part of a smaller group and having the chance to learn/teach within a group where one feels comfortable. The only 'problem' with the smaller sections is perhaps having one's work not being viewed by as many people as those who post to gallery, but I wonder if the numbers are really necessary to have a rewarding experience here. I suppose that depends on what we're expecting when we post...

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Mar 21, 2019 12:55:52   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Heather Iles wrote:
Yes, I prefer straight post processing topics, but I am not opposed to composites as some are very cleverly done and I appreciate that there is a place here for both and I admire those who do it well, so that is fine with me.

I am aware that I don't participate as much as I would like and will post when I feel confident enough to show my photography, but I can't help noticing that some posts get lots of replies as members seem to follow their buddies while other threads that really need a helping hand are avoided. That is human nature.

Yes, UHH members are friendly and I am happy to be here having stumbled acrossed it about 4 years ago. I suppose the main reason why we are mostly retired as we have a lot in common with the things we do and we are mostly patient at our age. As they say, birds of feathers flock together and so we feel comfortable here and have got to know each other although we haven't met. Long may it continue.

I do admire you for the amount of work you have put in on this site and it is appreciated. I may be silent, but fear not, I am here looking and learning.

H
Yes, I prefer straight post processing topics, but... (show quote)
Thanks, Heather! You are right about the number of comments that are due to the "buddy system." When I posted to fredmiranda, I was always thrilled to get more than a single response

When posting for feedback or suggestions, I think one or two thoughtful responses is of more value than pages of thumbs-up. Now, having said that, I was always very glad when my Gallery topics made it into the Digest (which adds to visibility significantly). Who does not want to have people praise their "share" pics? 🤗

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Mar 21, 2019 13:01:46   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
mwsilvers wrote:
There are a number of threads there that interest me and I do respond occasionally, but many seem to be about composites, special effects and pixel editing. Those are not things normally of great interest to me. I'm more interested in getting the best results from raw image exposures. I use primarily DXO PhotoLab Elite, DXO FilmPack 5 Elite, DXO Viewpoint, and the DXO NIK Collection. I also occasionally use ON1 2019 which in many respects is a fine program but not quite in the same league as DXO. It is getting much better with each new release though and has some important tools that DXO currently lacks. Both DXO and ON1 do most of their magic directly on raw files and I generally have little interest in jpg editing.

Sometimes I'll read an interesting thread without responding because I may not have anything new or useful to add, and sometimes I'm not familiar enough with the software used to add value. I did find your cloning challenge interesting and I'm playing with it. I think it would have been an easier challenge if you had uploaded a higher resolution version of the images though.
There are a number of threads there that interest ... (show quote)
Thanks so much for this; please feel free to pm me anytime, such as with the suggestion for larger files in the cloning challenge. Being moderator, I have no time limit on adding/revising my comments (or anyone else's - ha!).

After taking on moderator duties, I started paying more attention to pp topics that were posted to main discussion. Most weeks there are very few of the type you said you enjoy. Maybe we can get to the bottom of the reason for that, and encourage more (preferably within PP Forum ).

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Mar 21, 2019 13:09:03   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Dixiegirl wrote:
I like having a post production forum, closeup forum, etc., because of the pleasure of being part of a smaller group and having the chance to learn/teach within a group where one feels comfortable. The only 'problem' with the smaller sections is perhaps having one's work not being viewed by as many people as those who post to gallery, but I wonder if the numbers are really necessary to have a rewarding experience here. I suppose that depends on what we're expecting when we post...
Thanks for commenting, Donna!

My interests have changed quite a bit since year 1 when I posted 300 topics, most of them to Gallery I absolutely support the idea of posting simply to "share" and also understand why many folks offer merely thumbs-up or short sentences when commenting. You and Earl have nurtured Close-Up Forum from the brink of extinction to become a friendly and popular place to hang out

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Mar 21, 2019 13:11:00   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
I think when one item that needs to be stressed is this is a safe location to express your pp ideas or ask questions that will not be flamed. For a long time I was afraid to post photos or questions because of some of some of the responses.

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Mar 21, 2019 13:24:29   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I think when one item that needs to be stressed is this is a safe location to express your pp ideas or ask questions that will not be flamed. For a long time I was afraid to post photos or questions because of some of some of the responses.
Yes! That's the sole reason I asked Admin for moderator controls after discovering that donolea and TheeGambler were no longer active on UHH.

I have zero tolerance for bullies and Great Truth Tellers. I have to admit that the lack of PP Forum traffic prior to my taking it on made it far less stressful. I mean, it's not like I could screw it up too badly, right?

Thanks for your support!

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Mar 21, 2019 15:01:23   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
... The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes....
Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗


Even though I have been using Photoshop since the 1980s, and at one time was quite familiar with several other PP programs, I have not "kept up" with all of the latest-and-greatest and I feel woefully under informed. Also, until I read this thread, I was totally unaware that the was a PP Section on this forum (Do I feel sheepish!).

As per your quote above, could you please tell me how I can subscribe and start the long "catch-up" process?

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Mar 21, 2019 15:18:04   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Even though I have been using Photoshop since the 1980s, and at one time was quite familiar with several other PP programs, I have not "kept up" with all of the latest-and-greatest and I feel woefully under informed. Also, until I read this thread, I was totally unaware that the was a PP Section on this forum (Do I feel sheepish!).

As per your quote above, could you please tell me how I can subscribe and start the long "catch-up" process?
Yippee, another warm body

At the bottom of every UHH page is a link to "all sections." On that page at the end of each section's intro blurb is a "subscribe" button. You can browse all forums there, and perhaps you'll find others that will be of interest also.

On the home page of PP Forum is a topic started by Searcher that has links to tutorials:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-156310-1.html
I'm trying to add more as time permits and I remember.

Welcome!

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