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Mar 21, 2019 11:06:33   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Stardust wrote:
Probably like many/most here been awhile since I looked at all the categories, originally subscribing to those of interest and never really looking back. So your post made me re-aware of the section, realization you are one of the moderators made me subscribe. <grin> Posting a shorter version of your msg in 3-4 other related areas may also help draw attention, especially to us "newer" members. Thanks for the reminder.
Thanks! I do understand that some folks try to limit their UHH participation so they have time for the rest of life

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Mar 21, 2019 11:10:00   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Stardust wrote:
And, PS as a separate topic, read the rules of the area and what a forum we would have here if all followed them in all sectors.
The sections that have active moderators are generally more drama-free. I was gratified to see how quickly and successfully the moderators dealt with a couple of burps in Landscape Forum early on.

But, obviously, one person's idea of rude is not necessarily the next person's. Many who hang out in main discussion seem to relish those "lively" exchanges.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:16:33   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Heather Iles wrote:
You are quite Linda. Most topics in Post Processing is not about processing at all, but I am still a subscriber as I hope that there will be something that I will gain from that section. It is difficult to keep members to the topics that the section is meant to represent. A Post Processing Section is helpful for the Novices like me.

I might scan through the Main Photographic Section but I treat it as chit chat and don't linger often.

A year or two back there were more professional photographers that use to help out on the "For Your Consideration" Section but most of them seem to have disappeared. I have learned a lot from that section.

Good luck Linda.

Heather
You are quite Linda. Most topics in Post Processi... (show quote)
Thanks for your comments, Heather. I assume by your observation that you would prefer "straight" post-processing topics as opposed to the creative composites and such?

My notice doc and the section's guidelines attempted to stress that all areas are welcome. Like msilvers, you have posted very few topics to UHH since joining. I hope you'll feel comfortable enough at some point to initiate conversations in PP or elsewhere. If a section isn't meeting your needs, and you have the time and interest, take it upon yourself to start a topic. I can't guarantee how much response you'll get, only that it'll be friendly

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Mar 21, 2019 11:22:55   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
magnetoman wrote:
Well I do find it a useful place to get critique and comment on my composites, and am grateful that’s it’s here. I’m no pro, and I’m not looking to be one, so the opinion of my peers is ample for me and I’d recommend the section to anyone of similar ilk or who is starting out on the pp and/or compositing route. We can help one another and, sure, that includes pointers to where good tutorials may be found but, unlike Gene, I’d hope to do my growing here on UHH. The section would benefit from more members undoubtedly but I’m happy to hang-in whilst it grows. Your own efforts in regenerating the section are commendable and I hope they bear fruit Linda.
Well I do find it a useful place to get critique a... (show quote)
Your support, friendship and inspiration have been invaluable, Dave. I too have greatly enjoyed "peer review" through my years on UHH. My photography journey has never been based on specific goals (other than learning layers - ha!), so I particularly like that there are folks here more experienced, as well as less experienced, than I - and with a very wide range of interests.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:25:55   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
I enjoy the main sections and some of the other more specialized sections but the PP forum is typically my go to section. I am trying to learn as much as I can about post processing and I find I get the most helpful information there. If I am looking for feedback and constructive critiques on the actual image regarding composition, artistry etc I go to the FYC section. I think there is a need for both.

I think it takes a lot more effort to weed out the bad advise or get serious feedback in the main forum sections. You can get a lot more looks but looks don't help me improve. I do get inspiration from some of the main forum posts. I like to scan through the New Pictures for things that interest me or catch my eye rather than depend on the subject. Some of them can be a little misleading.

Overall I think there is a good balance in the types of sections offered. Something for everyone.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:31:40   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
kenievans wrote:
I enjoy the main sections and some of the other more specialized sections but the PP forum is typically my go to section. I am trying to learn as much as I can about post processing and I find I get the most helpful information there. If I am looking for feedback and constructive critiques on the actual image regarding composition, artistry etc I go to the FYC section. I think there is a need for both.

I think it takes a lot more effort to weed out the bad advise or get serious feedback in the main forum sections. You can get a lot more looks but looks don't help me improve. I do get inspiration from some of the main forum posts. I like to scan through the New Pictures for things that interest me or catch my eye rather than depend on the subject. Some of them can be a little misleading.

Overall I think there is a good balance in the types of sections offered. Something for everyone.
I enjoy the main sections and some of the other mo... (show quote)
Thanks for commenting, Keni! While Admin (site owner) has been willing to create whatever new section anyone wishes to host, the drawback is that those sections stay well hidden from casual users.

It's great to know you have found the sections - and the browsing habits - that give you the most bang for your buck

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Mar 21, 2019 11:34:37   #
UTMike Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
PP is a great place for an "advanced beginner" to cut one's teeth and learn from more experienced members. Unless it is placing an unwanted amount of stress on you, Linda, I think it should continue. As I get more experience, I hope to add suggestions for content.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:39:39   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
UTMike wrote:
PP is a great place for an "advanced beginner" to cut one's teeth and learn from more experienced members. Unless it is placing an unwanted amount of stress on you, Linda, I think it should continue. As I get more experience, I hope to add suggestions for content.
No stress at all - so far, Mike Thank you!

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Mar 21, 2019 11:52:57   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
I certainly would like to see a section dedicated to post processing; with so many new sections created over the years, I'm surprised there isn't already one! And expanding one's post processing skills is something that I think can benefit many photographers - how to improve making selections, using brush tools, manipulating layers, combining effects, etc. There's always something new to discover and learn.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:56:02   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
The short answer is YES. And I think, as with any moderator change, that your assuming this role (and thank you for that!) can alter the course of its development. Change is always an opportunity for growth.

The value in the specialty sections on UHH is the opportunity for more targeted and in depth conversations about the topics at hand. A post on the general section or the gallery section will garner a lot of brief responses- some helpful, some unhelpful, many redundant, and much gets lost inside the noise. Topics rise and fall quickly and are often gone in hours, never to be seen again, due to the traffic and broad range.

Specialty sections offer more opportunities for personal growth, though I don't think they pretend to be a substitute for more serious learning options like formal mentoring, classes in person or online, or even highly specialized online sites. I participate in other sites both more and less specialized than UHH, and I am also happy to take a class when there's something I want to get better at (I'm in one for artistic compositing now). But the specialty section is like a photography hangout, a coffee shop as one online friend described it. Customers can come by as often as they like, stay as long as they like, talk as much as they like. Some customers are more experienced than others, even though few are hanging out their shingles as experts. Those of us who know something have an opportunity to help those who are trying to learn that thing, and those of us who want to know something can often find someone who knows a bit more and can offer an idea.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:58:52   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could easily fit into:
1. Main forum Discussion
2. Photo Gallery
3. For Your Consideration

The overwhelming majority of UHH users hang out in main discussion or photo gallery. The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes. How many of you reading this topic know there are about 30 specialty sections moderated by volunteers??

A bit of PP Forum's history can be found here. As noted in that doc, from June 1 through December 31, 2018, PP Forum averaged only 16 topics per month. Main discussion sees that many in a single day and photo gallery can have that many in a few hours

So, what is the value of PP Forum? I see it as the perfect place to post tutorials and editing challenges. We have a good number of tutorials, including expanded discussion within topics, since I took over as moderator - but we would definitely enjoy more challenges from pp experts willing to take the time to advise and offer feedback on participants' work (similar to what Shakey did).

For those just learning of this section - and for those veterans willing to come onboard with new topics - please be sure to read the updated guidelines here and my notice here, including expanded conversation on page 2.

Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could ... (show quote)

You're a fine hypocrite! Whining about others not posting in the appropriate section when you yourself recently posted a moon photography topic here in Main Discussion.

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Mar 21, 2019 11:59:24   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could easily fit into:
1. Main forum Discussion
2. Photo Gallery
3. For Your Consideration

The overwhelming majority of UHH users hang out in main discussion or photo gallery. The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes. How many of you reading this topic know there are about 30 specialty sections moderated by volunteers??

A bit of PP Forum's history can be found here. As noted in that doc, from June 1 through December 31, 2018, PP Forum averaged only 16 topics per month. Main discussion sees that many in a single day and photo gallery can have that many in a few hours

So, what is the value of PP Forum? I see it as the perfect place to post tutorials and editing challenges. We have a good number of tutorials, including expanded discussion within topics, since I took over as moderator - but we would definitely enjoy more challenges from pp experts willing to take the time to advise and offer feedback on participants' work (similar to what Shakey did).

For those just learning of this section - and for those veterans willing to come onboard with new topics - please be sure to read the updated guidelines here and my notice here, including expanded conversation on page 2.

Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could ... (show quote)


IMHO there are way too many sections to be effective. There seem to be several sections whose purpose is to critique and hopefully help show how to improve an image. Tutorials locked at the top of a section could be referenced in a critique, rather than repeating the same thing over and over again.

There is a section for Birds in Flight, in Water. I post mostly perched bird photos. When I happen to get a bird in flight ( potluck on my part) or a bird in the water, I'm not going to post them separately from an eagle sitting in a tree. My shoot from yesterday would have been divided into two sections. A single Bird section might get more traffic. Again, with any tutorials on the subject locked at the top for easy reference.

There are a few people on UHH who write, sometimes long, but very detailed tutorials. To get the word out they have to post them over and over again.

I often look at the Train section by seldom have anything to add, so I don't get there often enough.

This may not make sense, or be possible, but if the number of sections were streamlined the moderators could share the work. Now for the crazy part, I hate to say it, one new section, that nobody can reply to. Each day or week or whatever each section moderator select one picture from their sections in the new section, with a link back to where it came from. It would be an uncluttered visual advertisement. Right now if, for example, Linda posts a link in the main discussion section recommending a visit to the PP section, it disappears into oblivion very shortly. One picture a day 'advertising' each section would have some staying power.

With the number of photos being posted in the main discussion section by long time members, maybe we should do away with the Photo Gallery.

I think it is lunch time. Bye, Bye

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Mar 21, 2019 12:01:01   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could easily fit into:
1. Main forum Discussion
2. Photo Gallery
3. For Your Consideration

The overwhelming majority of UHH users hang out in main discussion or photo gallery. The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes. How many of you reading this topic know there are about 30 specialty sections moderated by volunteers??

A bit of PP Forum's history can be found here. As noted in that doc, from June 1 through December 31, 2018, PP Forum averaged only 16 topics per month. Main discussion sees that many in a single day and photo gallery can have that many in a few hours

So, what is the value of PP Forum? I see it as the perfect place to post tutorials and editing challenges. We have a good number of tutorials, including expanded discussion within topics, since I took over as moderator - but we would definitely enjoy more challenges from pp experts willing to take the time to advise and offer feedback on participants' work (similar to what Shakey did).

For those just learning of this section - and for those veterans willing to come onboard with new topics - please be sure to read the updated guidelines here and my notice here, including expanded conversation on page 2.

Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could ... (show quote)


I, for one, find the post-processing forum among the most useful, and am disappointed when no one has posted to it.

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Mar 21, 2019 12:20:09   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
Leitz wrote:
You're a fine hypocrite! Whining about others not posting in the appropriate section when you yourself recently posted a moon photography topic here in Main Discussion.


Steady now! No need to be that harsh!

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Mar 21, 2019 12:25:58   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
rook2c4 wrote:
I certainly would like to see a section dedicated to post processing; with so many new sections created over the years, I'm surprised there isn't already one!
Umm, there is
Here: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-116-1.html

Created July 19, 2013: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-134551-1.html

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