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Hmmmm!!! Decisions, decisions! The New EOS RP for $1300 or the 6D2 for $200 more?
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Feb 15, 2019 00:27:49   #
User ID
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My opinion; depends on what the buyer is looking for. You want tiny and light, get the RP. You want full size, get the 6D II. You are one of those people who believe DSLR'S will stop working because of MILC'S, get the RP. You want a full featured camera, get the 6D II. You have a number of EF lenses and don't mind using an adapter, get the RP. You have a number of EF lenses and you don't like using adapters, get the 6D II. You are a minimalist, get the RP. You don't want bleeding edge technology, get the 6D II. It really is up to the preferences of the buyer. Which one is an all around better camera? The 6D II.
My opinion; depends on what the buyer is looking f... (show quote)


Soooooo ..... best I can read you, you recommend
buying all three ! And why not ... seems like a real
win-win-win solution, especially for Canon !

.

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Feb 15, 2019 01:45:30   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:


Okey dokey Chris. No big deal. I am just curious.

Evasive does sound a little harsh. But when others have questioned your assertions like "publishers want you to use 26 MP cameras" or "here are the best cameras for color" your responses have been pretty evasive. "I can't remember where I saw that why don't you search for yourself" and "hey take up your complaints with the guy who wrote the article" for example.

I am not complaining about the way you run your forum within the forum. You are polite and are good at framing questions to attract attention. I am just pointing out that it is indistinguishable from someone doing market research. Well done marketing research, yes.

We are certainly making a lot of progressive if what we are doing is exploring consumer tastes and preferences. I just don't see how we are making any progress in increasing our knowledge or skill as photographers with this running questionnaire.

But as I said, if this is what you enjoy doing, then by all means carry on. You always get a lot of feedback. This is my feedback.

Mike
img src="https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/images/s... (show quote)


Mike - didn't realize you'd responded to my response, already …. sorry for the delay. Now, then - first - no - I am NOT engaged in Market Research … why would I be? … Am just curious to see what others think about the cameras and lenses, in which, I - myself - am interested. Not to buy, necessarily - but, just because I wish to expand my knowledge of what's out there. And, this idea you have - I am trying to persuade people to buy this or that, or to upgrade … not sure where you get that from. I have NEVER suggested to ANYONE - how to spend their money. I would NEVER do that. How people wish to spend their money is none of my business, whatsoever!!! ….

The superzooms I've posted topics on, of late - are just a roundup of lenses I've considered purchasing, and I just wanted to get feedback from others here, on the quality of these lenses. A couple of the cameras, too. With good cameras, today - costing a minimum of $7-800 - one wants to try to put together as much info as possible - before making a purchase. Especially, if it's MORE than that.

Now … you listed ten Topic Titles in your last letter. Only seven of those ten are in any way recent. You had to go back a ways to find those other three. Some of the other recent ones I've done - which have NOT been on hardware - are also significant - to me, anyway - but you've conveniently avoided mentioning those. What was that about being evasive? … Anyway - one of those three you had to go and SEARCH - to find … was the one about the color depth requirement to publish. [Want the Best Camera for Color - and Reproduction in Magazines and/or Books?] I do believe you'll find the answer you want - in that very post. Why don't you read it? … I mean, the entire thread - if that topic interests you.

At the time you asked me that, I could not remember WHERE I saw it … only, that I read it, here at UHH. But when you posted that list of those ten topics - it suddenly dawned on me when that was posted.

There are many posts here which are designed to help people increase their education about the skills involved in photography. Although I could post that kind of thing, since there are so many others doing it - I hardly think it's necessary - do you? ... I'm NOT a teacher, after all. I am just a writer who also dabbles in photography. Frankly, if I were to do that kind of thing - it would be like the blind leading the blind. Although I've been a professional photographer since 1970 - I only returned to it, after a long absence (prompted by a theft, which resulted in the loss of about 65% of my hardware) in the 21st C. And, on top of that - I am a relative newbie to Digital - having only just turned to it in 2010. So, I am really not qualified to TEACH photography. But, I am a good writer, and respond to 90% of the notes written directly to me in MY posts OR in other people's posts. If people don't specifically address me - using the Quote Reply - most of the time - I won't respond to them, unless it's clearly evident they are addressing me, even if they didn't use it. Now, then ... a few things I need to clear up. First, I'm on a different schedule than most folks here on the East Coast. I tend to retire, when everyone else is getting up, and come down in the 11am to noon region. Thus, many comments, written in the early morns, here - are not addressed by me until the afternoons. Secondly, I am on Dial-Up - and this often means I am knocked off-line when someone calls, and it sometimes takes me a while to find where I was, again, after that. Now, then - considering all I have to contend with, I think I do a pretty good job at keeping up, all said & done!

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Feb 15, 2019 02:07:20   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
User ID wrote:
Soooooo ..... best I can read you, you recommend
buying all three ! And why not ... seems like a real
win-win-win solution, especially for Canon !

.


All THREE???? … I had not realized the R - was part of this discussion, except - as it relates to the RP.

USER - the 6D2 - is listed at a buck under $1500. The EOS RP is $200 LESS. The R - is around $3500!!!

But, it uses the same 30MP sensor as the 5D4 … so, it's understandable it's similarly priced.

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Feb 15, 2019 02:43:47   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
tdekany wrote:
No ibis in this camera I’m afraid to say.


What's this, Tom? … NO IBIS??? … You referring to the RP, here? … SEE Line 4!!!!

RF mount, compatible with EF/EF-S/TS-E/MP-E lenses with adapter
26.2 megapixel, 6240 x 4160 px, 35mm Full Frame Canon CMOS sensor
4K 24P, Full HD 60P with Movie Servo AF via a Dual Pixel CMOS sensor
Dual Sensing IS (up to 5 stops) with Combination IS (when used with compatible lenses) for smooth video
DIGIC 8 Image Processor
4,779 selectable AF points (143 area divisions for auto AF) with 88% horizontal and 100% vertical coverage supporting up to f/11 max apertures
AF sensitivity down to EV -5 (extremely dark)
Touch and Drag AF with Eye Detection AF in both One Shot and Servo AF modes
0.39" (9.9mm) EVF, 2.36 Million-dot viewfinder with 60 fps refresh, 100% view
2.95" (75.0mm) approx. 1,040,000-dot Vari-Angle Touch Screen LCD
ISO 100-40000 with expansion down to 50 and up to 51200, 102400
Up to 5 fps continuous shooting (4 fps with Servo AF)
Shutter durability rated up to 100,000 cycles
Focus Bracketing
Silent shooting capable (in SCN Special Scene mode)
Magnesium alloy body with a higher level of weather sealing than typically found in entry-level models
Built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
Flicker Mode

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Feb 15, 2019 03:25:52   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Chris T wrote:
What's this, Tom? … NO IBIS??? … You referring to the RP, here? … SEE Line 4!!!!

RF mount, compatible with EF/EF-S/TS-E/MP-E lenses with adapter
26.2 megapixel, 6240 x 4160 px, 35mm Full Frame Canon CMOS sensor
4K 24P, Full HD 60P with Movie Servo AF via a Dual Pixel CMOS sensor
Dual Sensing IS (up to 5 stops) with Combination IS (when used with compatible lenses) for smooth video
DIGIC 8 Image Processor
4,779 selectable AF points (143 area divisions for auto AF) with 88% horizontal and 100% vertical coverage supporting up to f/11 max apertures
AF sensitivity down to EV -5 (extremely dark)
Touch and Drag AF with Eye Detection AF in both One Shot and Servo AF modes
0.39" (9.9mm) EVF, 2.36 Million-dot viewfinder with 60 fps refresh, 100% view
2.95" (75.0mm) approx. 1,040,000-dot Vari-Angle Touch Screen LCD
ISO 100-40000 with expansion down to 50 and up to 51200, 102400
Up to 5 fps continuous shooting (4 fps with Servo AF)
Shutter durability rated up to 100,000 cycles
Focus Bracketing
Silent shooting capable (in SCN Special Scene mode)
Magnesium alloy body with a higher level of weather sealing than typically found in entry-level models
Built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
Flicker Mode
What's this, Tom? … NO IBIS??? … You referring to ... (show quote)


Not for stills

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Feb 15, 2019 04:07:28   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:


Okey dokey Chris. No big deal. I am just curious.

Evasive does sound a little harsh. But when others have questioned your assertions like "publishers want you to use 26 MP cameras" or "here are the best cameras for color" your responses have been pretty evasive. "I can't remember where I saw that why don't you search for yourself" and "hey take up your complaints with the guy who wrote the article" for example.

I am not complaining about the way you run your forum within the forum. You are polite and are good at framing questions to attract attention. I am just pointing out that it is indistinguishable from someone doing market research. Well done marketing research, yes.

We are certainly making a lot of progressive if what we are doing is exploring consumer tastes and preferences. I just don't see how we are making any progress in increasing our knowledge or skill as photographers with this running questionnaire.

But as I said, if this is what you enjoy doing, then by all means carry on. You always get a lot of feedback. This is my feedback.

Mike
img src="https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/images/s... (show quote)


Mike - here's a letter, copied verbatim, I wrote to another member, earlier … hope this helps:

"Yes, you should've, Pierre … but, no biggy!!! … A careful re-read helped me to understand what it was …

These folks who post at these sites, w/o having the slightest idea what they're talking about - are for the birds, aren't they, Pierre? …

I confess - I am - sometimes - like - guilty - but, there are times when I just wish to delve further into something - w/o having to make my own deductions, based on numbers, alone. Just numbers, or just pics, don't always tell the whole story. This kind of posting gives the opportunity to hear different folks who've actually USED a camera or lens, out, in the field … and I find this kind of feedback - invaluable - don't you?"

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Feb 15, 2019 04:46:24   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
tdekany wrote:
Not for stills


Oh, well, then … so I misunderstood that Dual Sensing line, did I?

If so … I'm glad I waited … the next camera I buy will have 5-axis IBIS, or I won't buy it …

Here, I'd thought this was the camera, Canon had already indicated would adopt it … but I guess not.

It's back to Sony, then ... wonder when the a77 III will appear ...


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Feb 15, 2019 04:51:21   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
User ID wrote:
No I do NOT have any "insider info" about
the future or lack of future of the A-mount.

So I mean only what the attached picture
represents ... observation of the obvious !

I would loooove to be wrong here, but to
my thinking, whoever believes A-mount
really has a future has an overwhelming
case of wishful thinking. I have a dozen
A-mount lenses ... no ax to grind.

.


Sony must still believe in it, if they're about to release the a77 III ... right?

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Feb 15, 2019 04:55:45   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
My opinion; depends on what the buyer is looking for. You want tiny and light, get the RP. You want full size, get the 6D II. You are one of those people who believe DSLR'S will stop working because of MILC'S, get the RP. You want a full featured camera, get the 6D II. You have a number of EF lenses and don't mind using an adapter, get the RP. You have a number of EF lenses and you don't like using adapters, get the 6D II. You are a minimalist, get the RP. You don't want bleeding edge technology, get the 6D II. It really is up to the preferences of the buyer. Which one is an all around better camera? The 6D II.
My opinion; depends on what the buyer is looking f... (show quote)


Thanks for that concise analysis, R … the 6D2 it is!!!!


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Feb 15, 2019 06:03:49   #
sergiohm
 
Chris T wrote:
They BOTH have 26MP - which is the least Res publishers will now accept. But, the MILC is so much lighter, and it comes with an EF adapter, too (a $100 item) - thrown in for FREE!!! … What am I gonna do? …..


If you shoot sports or wildlife don’t buy the RP, otherwise go for it

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Feb 15, 2019 06:19:15   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Chris T wrote:
They BOTH have 26MP - which is the least Res publishers will now accept. But, the MILC is so much lighter, and it comes with an EF adapter, too (a $100 item) - thrown in for FREE!!! … What am I gonna do? …..


Also the grip with your choice of 3 colors.
Smaller and lighter than the Sony a7III as well.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:25:40   #
BebuLamar
 
I am quite sure you have made your decision Chris. It was neither.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:07:03   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
Chris T wrote:
They BOTH have 26MP - which is the least Res publishers will now accept. But, the MILC is so much lighter, and it comes with an EF adapter, too (a $100 item) - thrown in for FREE!!! … What am I gonna do? …..


If you can get passed the obnoxious presentation, this is a very good review of the EOS RP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFQVfBdadEs

George

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Feb 15, 2019 08:10:43   #
Low Budget Dave
 
If you want weatherproofing, get the 6D.

If you want eye-Autofocus, get the RP.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:31:10   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Chris T wrote:
They BOTH have 26MP - which is the least Res publishers will now accept. But, the MILC is so much lighter, and it comes with an EF adapter, too (a $100 item) - thrown in for FREE!!! … What am I gonna do? …..


The Fro did a pretty go piece on who this camera is for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFQVfBdadEs

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