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Hmmmm!!! Decisions, decisions! The New EOS RP for $1300 or the 6D2 for $200 more?
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Feb 14, 2019 15:55:07   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Chris T wrote:
Dan - it's a CANON, first of all … has similar specs to the much-heralded R, and is FF and has 5-way IBIS … AND costs the same as my APS-C a77 II - which has a much lesser IBIS, AND they throw in an EF adapter!

What's NOT to like?



Well, the EVF is inferior to that of the EOS R, and the frame rate is much lower. 4K video not as robust as EOS R. Still, it appears attractive to those who want to use their existing EF and EF-S lenses (with adapter), and it may prove to be a very likable camera in its price range. I'd wait a little for the returns to come in, though.

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Feb 14, 2019 16:23:06   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
DWU2 wrote:
Well, the EVF is inferior to that of the EOS R, and the frame rate is much lower. 4K video not as robust as EOS R. Still, it appears attractive to those who want to use their existing EF and EF-S lenses (with adapter), and it may prove to be a very likable camera in its price range. I'd wait a little for the returns to come in, though.


Well, I'll have to plan this, anyway. It's not as if I have $1300 sitting around, doing nothing …

Returns, huh? ... Strange way to put it, Dan ...

Frame rates aren't that important to me - I don't shoot sports. The 4K video may be inferior to the R - but, hey .... it's there, isn't it? ... Tell me about the EVF, Dan ... how's it inferior to the R's?

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Feb 14, 2019 16:30:44   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Chris T wrote:
It was a post, right HERE, actually, Mike … but, I didn't BM it, so - could not lead you in the right direction.

There are now three cameras out - which have done this - gone 1MP more than min. The other's the X-T3.

But, if you Googled "min. Res required for publishing photos" - that might get you there.

The minimum was specified as 25MP.


No, I am not finding anything like that searching here nor with Google. A 300 dpi image printed at 8 X 12" in a magazine represents a fraction of a megapixel. 300 dpi is what publishers have always required from me, but it has been a few years.

Mike

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Feb 14, 2019 16:42:46   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Hey, Chris. Are you an equipment dealer? Post after post after post of yours reads like a camera store newsletter. Are you doing market research for someone? Periodically I challenge you on one of your glib assertions and you are always evasive. You are in fact doing market research here, and spending quite a bit of time at it. If you are not being paid to do it, you should be. Or maybe market research is a hobby of yours? Whatever, nothing wrong with any of those activities necessarily, but you shouldn't deceive us. Not saying that you are. But it certainly is true that your posting behavior is like no one else's here. Are you really that interested in the opinions of random people here about each and every little nuance, each and every new feature, of every new piece of photography equipment that gets released? Maybe you are. I don't know.

Mike

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Feb 14, 2019 16:45:58   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
No, I am not finding anything like that searching here nor with Google. A 300 dpi image printed at 8 X 12" in a magazine represents a fraction of a megapixel. 300 dpi is what publishers have always required from me, but it has been a few years.

Mike


Maybe, I can find it, Mike … not sure, but, I'll have a look. It could have been in one of the Fuji posts, since that camera was the first one - I think - to go to 26MP. Not sure - perhaps, the 6D2 was earlier …

Things evolve in all things. Minimum requirements, change through the years. Many APS-C cameras are now at the 24MP mark. Perhaps, upping the requirement was a way to assure they'd receive FF images.

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Feb 14, 2019 16:50:34   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Hey, Chris. Are you an equipment dealer? Post after post after post of yours reads like a camera store newsletter. Are you doing market research for someone? Periodically I challenge you on one of your glib assertions and you are always evasive. You are in fact doing market research here, and spending quite a bit of time at it. If you are not being paid to do it, you should be. Or maybe market research is a hobby of yours? Whatever, nothing wrong with any of those activities necessarily, but you shouldn't deceive us. Not saying that you are. But it certainly is true that your posting behavior is like no one else's here. Are you really that interested in the opinions of random people here about each and every little nuance, each and every new feature, of every new piece of photography equipment that gets released? Maybe you are. I don't know.

Mike
Hey, Chris. Are you an equipment dealer? Post afte... (show quote)


Interesting perspective you have there, Mike. No, I'm not an equipment dealer. I am a writer and a photographer. I find posts I do here - challenge me - to be a better writer, first of all - and, a better photographer - by reading the responses of others - whether they're on my posts or not. I wish I were being paid to do this. But, nobody's offered me anything, so far. But, you never know …

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Feb 14, 2019 17:00:14   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
Chris T wrote:
Well, I'll have to plan this, anyway. It's not as if I have $1300 sitting around, doing nothing …

Returns, huh? ... Strange way to put it, Dan ...

Frame rates aren't that important to me - I don't shoot sports. The 4K video may be inferior to the R - but, hey .... it's there, isn't it? ... Tell me about the EVF, Dan ... how's it inferior to the R's?


EOS R viewfinder is larger, higher magnification (.76x vs 0.7x), and, in particular, higher resolution (3.69M vs 2.26M dots.

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Feb 14, 2019 17:07:39   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Chris T wrote:
Interesting perspective you have there, Mike. No, I'm not an equipment dealer. I am a writer and a photographer. I find posts I do here - challenge me - to be a better writer, first of all - and, a better photographer - by reading the responses of others - whether they're on my posts or not. I wish I were being paid to do this. But, nobody's offered me anything, so far. But, you never know …


I had considered that you were gathering research for some sort of writing work. Are you writing for a trade magazine? Ad copy for a manufacturer or dealer?

How is asking people here simple and often silly questions about the latest piece of camera equipment to go on the market helping you to become a better photographer?

Pentax K-70 ... is this the most-overlooked APS-C on the planet???
18-270 Pentax - a proprietary superzoom!!! ... Is it worth the money?
18-400 Tamron - a Crowning Achievement, or just another so-so-sooperzoom???
A Theoretical Question - How Many Focal Points are TOO Many?
18-300 Sigma - Vignette King, or a Superb Lens, and, at a bargain price!!!!
16-300 Tamron - is this a versatile lens, or - a waste of money?
Sigma 50-500 OS HSM APO - the perfect SuperZoom, or no?
Want the Best Camera for Color - and Reproduction in Magazines and/or Books?
To Have, or to Have Not ... the evergrowing world of IBIS ...
Battery Grips ... do they really help, or - are they more of a hassle than they're worth?

No problem if this is what you enjoy doing. But it certainly reads like marketing hype. I noticed that on the "want the best camera" post a couple of knowledgeable people asked you some questions, trying to engage in a discussion about the topic you initiated, and you "punted" just as you do when I ask you any questions or try to get a discussion going with you.

Interest in photography equipment is almost a hobby onto itself, and I would not tell anyone not to pursue that. But your questions and topics are strongly oriented to a sales and marketing perspective - "what would you buy? and "would you trade up?" and "is this worth the price tag on it?"

Mike

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Feb 14, 2019 17:27:21   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
DWU2 wrote:
EOS R viewfinder is larger, higher magnification (.76x vs 0.7x), and, in particular, higher resolution (3.69M vs 2.26M dots.


Thanks, Dan … yes, that IS a significant difference, isn't it? … In the VF mag, anyway …

As far as the res - another - seemingly - large difference, but, consider this …

How many cameras have a res as high as 2.26M dots, anyway?

I'll bet you could count 'em on one hand!!!!!

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Feb 14, 2019 17:46:18   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I had considered that you were gathering research for some sort of writing work. Are you writing for a trade magazine? Ad copy for a manufacturer or dealer?

How is asking people here simple and often silly questions about the latest piece of camera equipment to go on the market helping you to become a better photographer?

Pentax K-70 ... is this the most-overlooked APS-C on the planet???
18-270 Pentax - a proprietary superzoom!!! ... Is it worth the money?
18-400 Tamron - a Crowning Achievement, or just another so-so-sooperzoom???
A Theoretical Question - How Many Focal Points are TOO Many?
18-300 Sigma - Vignette King, or a Superb Lens, and, at a bargain price!!!!
16-300 Tamron - is this a versatile lens, or - a waste of money?
Sigma 50-500 OS HSM APO - the perfect SuperZoom, or no?
Want the Best Camera for Color - and Reproduction in Magazines and/or Books?
To Have, or to Have Not ... the evergrowing world of IBIS ...
Battery Grips ... do they really help, or - are they more of a hassle than they're worth?

No problem if this is what you enjoy doing. But it certainly reads like marketing hype. I noticed that on the "want the best camera" post a couple of knowledgeable people asked you some questions, trying to engage in a discussion about the topic you initiated, and you "punted" just as you do when I ask you any questions or try to get a discussion going with you.

Interest in photography equipment is almost a hobby onto itself, and I would not tell anyone not to pursue that. But your questions and topics are strongly oriented to a sales and marketing perspective - "what would you buy? and "would you trade up?" and "is this worth the price tag on it?"

Mike
I had considered that you were gathering research ... (show quote)


Wow, Mike .. TBH - you sound like you're jealous of the time I spend on doing this … do you know?

Silly??? … I don't agree with that, at all. The questions I pose in my Topic Titles - are intended to engage good responses. If they come across as silly to you - then, obviously, you have no interest in those Topic Titles. You've listed seven of the most recent ones - most of which have put forth specific lenses - which stand out because of their range. Questions are often asked here about Superzooms, but very few of them have a slant. I incorporate a slant in my Topic Titles - in order to make them interesting enough, so people will want to discuss them. When they do - I respond, in kind. I try to follow through on EVERY comment made, except - when I notice people making comments, have gone on a tangent. The one - labeled - A Theoretical Question - was one which opened the door for people to discuss anything they wished to - whether it followed the express idea put forth in the lead post, or not. When that happens - my reaction is to gloss over these comments, and re-insert the Title and Lead Post into the Quick Reply box - in order to attempt to get the discussion back on track. It doesn't always work, however …

As far as evasions - I'm not sure I follow that. I am NOT evasive. I do try and respond to any and every comment folks make - directly. If you perceive that as evasive, then you're clearly not reading all my return comments and following them back to the prior comments. That's alright. Not everyone reads everything in the thread. I DO, however - whether they're MY posts, or someone else's. And, it is my reading of ALL the comments here, which, I believe - in many ways - make me a better photographer.

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Feb 14, 2019 17:47:16   #
User ID
 
Chris T wrote:
What's THAT supposed to mean, USER?

Do you know something about a-mount - I don't know?


No I do NOT have any "insider info" about
the future or lack of future of the A-mount.

So I mean only what the attached picture
represents ... observation of the obvious !

I would loooove to be wrong here, but to
my thinking, whoever believes A-mount
really has a future has an overwhelming
case of wishful thinking. I have a dozen
A-mount lenses ... no ax to grind.

.

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Feb 14, 2019 18:09:39   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Chris T wrote:
Wow, Mike .. TBH - you sound like you're jealous of the time I spend on doing this … do you know?

Silly??? … I don't agree with that, at all. The questions I pose in my Topic Titles - are intended to engage good responses. If they come across as silly to you - then, obviously, you have no interest in those Topic Titles. You've listed seven of the most recent ones - most of which have put forth specific lenses - which stand out because of their range. Questions are often asked here about Superzooms, but very few of them have a slant. I incorporate a slant in my Topic Titles - in order to make them interesting enough, so people will want to discuss them. When they do - I respond, in kind. I try to follow through on EVERY comment made, except - when I notice people making comments, have gone on a tangent. The one - labeled - A Theoretical Question - was one which opened the door for people to discuss anything they wished to - whether it followed the express idea put forth in the lead post, or not. When that happens - my reaction is to gloss over these comments, and re-insert the Title and Lead Post into the Quick Reply box - in order to attempt to get the discussion back on track. It doesn't always work, however …

As far as evasions - I'm not sure I follow that. I am NOT evasive. I do try and respond to any and every comment folks make - directly. If you perceive that as evasive, then you're clearly not reading all my return comments and following them back to the prior comments. That's alright. Not everyone reads everything in the thread. I DO, however - whether they're MY posts, or someone else's. And, it is my reading of ALL the comments here, which, I believe - in many ways - make me a better photographer.
Wow, Mike .. TBH - you sound like you're jealous o... (show quote)




Okey dokey Chris. No big deal. I am just curious.

Evasive does sound a little harsh. But when others have questioned your assertions like "publishers want you to use 26 MP cameras" or "here are the best cameras for color" your responses have been pretty evasive. "I can't remember where I saw that why don't you search for yourself" and "hey take up your complaints with the guy who wrote the article" for example.

I am not complaining about the way you run your forum within the forum. You are polite and are good at framing questions to attract attention. I am just pointing out that it is indistinguishable from someone doing market research. Well done marketing research, yes.

We are certainly making a lot of progressive if what we are doing is exploring consumer tastes and preferences. I just don't see how we are making any progress in increasing our knowledge or skill as photographers with this running questionnaire.

But as I said, if this is what you enjoy doing, then by all means carry on. You always get a lot of feedback. This is my feedback.

Mike

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Feb 14, 2019 22:15:20   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Chris T wrote:
That's what I was starting to think, Larry …

So - you think a-mount is pretty much finished, now - do you?

If so - maybe - THIS is the direction to go, huh?

5-way IBIS, too. Only a-mount to have it is the a99 II -$3200!!!!

This RP - is TWO GRAND - less!!!!!


No ibis in this camera I’m afraid to say.

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Feb 14, 2019 22:16:57   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:


Okey dokey Chris. No big deal. I am just curious.

Evasive does sound a little harsh. But when others have questioned your assertions like "publishers want you to use 26 MP cameras" or "here are the best cameras for color" your responses have been pretty evasive. "I can't remember where I saw that why don't you search for yourself" and "hey take up your complaints with the guy who wrote the article" for example.

I am not complaining about the way you run your forum within the forum. You are polite and are good at framing questions to attract attention. I am just pointing out that it is indistinguishable from someone doing market research. Well done marketing research, yes.

We are certainly making a lot of progressive if what we are doing is exploring consumer tastes and preferences. I just don't see how we are making any progress in increasing our knowledge or skill as photographers with this running questionnaire.

But as I said, if this is what you enjoy doing, then by all means carry on. You always get a lot of feedback. This is my feedback.

Mike
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Hey Mike, how about following your own suggestion?

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Feb 14, 2019 23:14:02   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
My opinion; depends on what the buyer is looking for. You want tiny and light, get the RP. You want full size, get the 6D II. You are one of those people who believe DSLR'S will stop working because of MILC'S, get the RP. You want a full featured camera, get the 6D II. You have a number of EF lenses and don't mind using an adapter, get the RP. You have a number of EF lenses and you don't like using adapters, get the 6D II. You are a minimalist, get the RP. You don't want bleeding edge technology, get the 6D II. It really is up to the preferences of the buyer. Which one is an all around better camera? The 6D II.

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