MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

This IS a real issue no matter what your politics..... I have a friend who because of hard times has had to live out of his car and tent in remote areas of the Appalachians. He said there were a Lot of folks wandering around for various reasons; forest ranger told him on the QT to keep firearm close. On the other extreme I did a little foolish hiking alone in Glacier Nat. Park a while back and had the willy Jillies the whole time looking over my shoulder. NO firearms allowed in Nat. parks; hint... don't hike alone. This is a new world and concealed carry is the plan where permitted IMHO.

via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP

Did you research the statement on "NO firearms allowed in Nat. parks." I seem to recall reading that concealed carry is allowed but, of course, my memory fails me at times!

blackest Loc: Ireland

Well I find a padded case, usually works well for most accidental bumps and drops. The trouble is making or buying a suitable insert. EVA foam is probably the best bet, foam sheets can be obtained quite cheaply, if you pick the right product such as a camping mat.

Heres a slightly strange german woman, on how to stick it together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbB2_pp24m8

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Good question... I will research; Thanks.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Thanks Via, I stand corrected.... firearms are allowed in Nat. parks as long as they comply with the rules of the park you are in. Thanks.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Near me someone was k**led by a falling tree limb on a trail one year.
Just keep a lookout for roaming boulders and if you hear a loud "crack", run.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Such dishonesty. When did I say anything political? I didn't. I doubt very much that you are insulted and offended.

A senior? An usher in church? Then you ought to know better. You are also old enough to have grown up at a time when we were taught proper capitalization in grade school.

"I am completely done with this post!" you say, as you respond to the post.

The thread you started here has nothing to do with photography and at best belongs in the chit chat section. Had you started a thread on "what do you eat when you are out taking photos" and then advocated vegetarianism, and then attacked anyone who objected to that, I would be making the same complaint.

I believe your thread was intended to cause trouble. I know that it does not belong in this section. The chit chat and attic section were created for the purpose of getting this "culture war" nonsense out of the main sections of the forum. That has led to you and others trying to find clever and deceptive little ways to get around that.

"Oh I am just innocently asking what people do for protection!" Sure you are. Clever lying is still lying.

By the way, I live and work on the farm in and ag community and everyone here own firearms, regardless of any politics. We lock the gun case, we don't lock our homes and we are out in the middle of nowhere. Give that some thought. It seems to me that the less at risk a person is, the more paranoid they are. Armed and paranoid people who cannot accurately assess risks are the ones who worry me. They are the danger that I worry about. People like you.

Mike

N4646W

Well I live in La La land, in what was a nice small community in the Sierras (so we were lead to believe). Our local news paper just posted from local camera groups that it is advised to carry a fire arm when in the Sierras. Seem as there are two legged predators that are collecting camera gear or what ever else they deem of value from even small groups (drug habits are expensive). Even our local sheriff advised me to carry after seeing our gear and our ages. I asked about a permit, they (Sheriff, HP, Forrest Service ) said point blank, "don't sweat it, we can't contain the criminal element and are not going to worry about the average citizen having protection."

Bad enough having to worry about the four legged critters and belly crawlers, but the two legged scum are much worse. So much for living in La La Land. Do I want to carry, hell no! Do I,..?

Time to run to the store for a new batch of pop corn, this is going to get lively but for all the wrong reasons.

Ron

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Love that Sheriff!!!

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

So, some local newspaper posted something about local camera groups saying that the groups were advising photographers to carry guns? It is isn't very clear what you are saying there. And a law enforcement officer told you to ignore the law?

There may be a kernel of t***h in that tall tale - a rash of burglaries in an area, an ill-advised remark by a law enforcement officer, a silly article in a local newspaper. However, searching every which way from Sunday - camera thefts in California, camera groups advising firearms for photographers, etc. does not bring back anything like the situation you describe, anywhere. Of course, your vague rambling story could be true, but even if it is that doesn't tell us much of anything at all. The problem you are alluding to does not seem to exist much. Ergo, this is not about safety for photographers at all. Rather, it is an excuse to provoke so-called "culture war" feuding, which is disruptive and does not belong here.

The controversy here is not about firearms. It is about the community standards for the group. My position is that the OP, and now you, are trying to stir up trouble with a discussion that belongs in the chit chat section, at best.

It is the Sierra, not the "Sierras" btw. But maybe you are new to the area?

Mike

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

I've always used Sierras a short plural, which I believe is quite acceptable: Sierra Mountains.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

That's the most asinine statement I think I have ever heard!!!

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Not at all. Quite to the contrary. It is a very insightful comment. Fearful people are very often dangerous people.

In any case, the fact that you disagree with the comment does not make it "asinine." Unless, that is, this thread is really not about how what it claims to be about - photographer safety - but rather is merely a thinly veiled attempt to stir up trouble.

If the thread is really about "Protecting yourself and your equipment while out in the Wilds" then why can some of us not express the opinion that the greatest danger we face out there is those who think they need to arm themselves and who view other humans with fear and suspicion?

We all own firearms here in farm country, by the way. I am talking about paranoid attitudes and inflammatory rhetoric and fear mongering, not firearm ownership.

Mike

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

That is very sad.

I am in the wilderness much of the year. I worry about those carrying firearms, as people are whipped up more and more into a frenzy of fear and suspicion by self-promoting and dishonest demagogues (which is why this subject is inescapably political) and are carrying while suffering "the willy Jillies the whole time" and constantly looking over their shoulders in fear and suspicion. That is a dangerous combination. I also look out for irresponsible ATV operators. But for the most part I don't see anyone, and experience no fear - day after day week after week, year after year for 50 years in remote wilderness areas.

Don't go out into the wilderness if you are that frightened. Fearful people are trigger-happy people.

Mike

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Do you not see or hear the news? There are several stories every year about hikers disappearing forever or found later dead, maimed, raped etc. Yes several per year, doesn't sound like a lot unless you or yours are the ones making the headlines. But that's only the national news. How many more are there that only make the local news if at all. Seems like the only ones to make the news are the prominent or pretty ones. And yes, mostly women. All women should be life members of the National Rifle Association.
You don't say "stop or I'll shoot", you say "STOP" and 1/2 second later you say "I wonder if he's dead or the threat is eliminated yet or do I need to shoot him again?" And if in doubt, by all means take that extra shot. If there are extenuating circumstances, yes I might feel bad later. But I will be alive and the threat to me and other good citizens will have been eliminated. It's called doing what has to be done. Buck up buttercup and do your duty to yourself and your fellow citizens.