Can you say media hypocrisy? (Page 6): As I said, you made the statement that the numbers were wrong. As you stated it, it was not an opinion but you were presenting it as fact. You...

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

DaveO wrote:

Your laziness to verify or disprove my statement ... (show quote)

As I said, you made the statement that the numbers were wrong. As you stated it, it was not an opinion but you were presenting it as fact. You are the one that needs to present proof.

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

robertjerl wrote:

As a retired teacher I will intervene here - If he has to show facts to prove you wrong, then you must show facts to prove you are right. Not opinions or un supported statements - verified facts with foot notes from a reliable source (that does not mean most newspapers or opinion/commentary blogs).

Thank you.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

[quote=robertjerl][quote=DaveO]I know we're both busy doing other things, lol.* I will again provide the original statement: "And 765,000 kids are* were separated from their military parents not knowing if they’ll see them again."

My contention is that apprehension would be mostly for those having parents in hot spots. The vast majority of the military, as I'm sure you know, have regular work hours at regular jobs.[/quote

*Speak for yourself, I've been retired 11 years 28 days, but who's counting?
As to most of the military having regular jobs at regular hours - to me that is a rumor - I was in Nam over 2 years of my 3 year enlistment. And my oldest son did 6 years as a combat engineer, 1 in Iraq and over 2 attached to the special forces HQ at Fort Bragg and is now a semi-active Reservest in Civil Affairs (Special Forces who deal with locals and their governments, means they try to make friends before they start shooting.) He is also his company jump master and just went to Path Finder school. He spends about 3 months or more a year off doing Army things. He, my wife and daughter all belong to Team Rubicon (volunteer disaster response started and mostly made up of veterans and/or friends and family members. Started here in the US and now in several allied and friendly nations) and my son and daughter were deployed to Houston after the hurricane. Jasmine's team in Houston included an Aussie Veteran who was in the US when Harvey hit and he reported in to a local TR unit to volunteer. All three have been deployed to do fire relief here in California in the last year.
So, nope, I and my family don't know much about regular jobs in the military on regular hours.[/quote]

The vast majority of military jobs are not combat arms and people actually function much like people in the real world. Some even work in air conditioned offices, work regular shifts and go home to supper with their family.

Love the retirement! Need a vacation from time to time though!

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

papakatz45 wrote:

As I said, you made the statement that the numbers were wrong. As you stated it, it was not an opinion but you were presenting it as fact. You are the one that needs to present proof.

Follow the post and quit whining. If you still think the numbers are correct, than you are even lazier than I thought.

It turned into a game of the interpretation of kids fear regardless of where their parents were and what the intent original post was. 765,000 is a bogus number in the context stated. Also note that the OP has not clarified anything, so the 765,000 number means nothing. Certainly you're not foolish enough to just accept the number, or do you just pick and choose what agrees with you? Just a rhetorical question.

Done.

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

DaveO wrote:

Follow the post and quit whining. If you still t... (show quote)

You are the one that made the statement as a fact, not me. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but your opinion is not fact. Done, me too.

Nalle Loc: Tellus

wk**lham wrote:

How is the last category illegal? Show me a single example, here or anywhere in the world that children are allowed to go to jail with their parent.

Or without their parents............

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

DaveO wrote:

It is also a known fact that there are soldiers wi... (show quote)

Quote from original post:"And 765,000 kids are separated from their military parents not knowing if they’ll see them again." Show me in the original post where it says combat zones?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Ka2azman wrote:

Quote from original post:"And 765,000 kids are separated from their military parents not knowing if they’ll see them again." Show me in the original post where it says combat zones?

I don't want to belabor the point, but apparently you have a different interpretation of what in harms way normally implies to those of us who have served. I also stated that the normal military functions include many civilian type occupations and work hours, but I can't provide stats, only personal experience and that of the many that I have associated with.

On the other hand, the children of first responders, in my opinion, would have a greater propensity to feel the fear cited.

Best wishes to you. Dave.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Tex-s wrote:

How DARE you muddy the propaganda waters with logic or, **gasp**, facts?

This is not logic or facts, but total confusion and misconception.

Obviously we don’t send children to prison with their parents who have been convicted of breaking the law and sentenced according to a completed legal process,

Obviously we don’t send children to a war zone with their parents, or even to foreign postings in some instances—which may be a decision on the family’s part.

The issue is the government separating children from familys, without due process, that is separating children from parents who have Not been found guilty of anything, and the separation was intended to be orbitrary and permanent.

This is an absolutely dispicable and shameful thing, a blot upon the nation, and an outrage!

And remember, this includes instance of tricking the parents and the children, and telling the children that their parents don’t love them any longer—dishonesty and lies, particularly shameful and destructive, and an a*********n before the world.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Burtzy wrote:

The first three categories are sad, but legal and in the case of veterans, a choice made by themselves. The last category is illegal governmental over-reach. That's not media hypocrisy. The media cannot do anything about the first three categories. But they can sure blow the whistle on the last one. And yes, this discussion is in the wrong place. But as long as it is here, the question must be answered.

Absolutely!

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

wk**lham wrote:

How is the last category illegal? Show me a single example, here or anywhere in the world that children are allowed to go to jail with their parent.

This isn’t about children being allowed to go to jail with their parents; it is separating children from parents—by lies and tricks, creating undue and unnecessary psychological damage—from parents who have not been convicted of anything following due process.

KGOldWolf

Huey Driver wrote:

Can you say media hypocrisy?

Can You Say Media Hypocrisy!

2,700,000 kids have a parent in prison.

400,000 kids are in foster care.

And 765,000 kids are separated from their military parents not knowing if they’ll see them again.

But the media focuses on 2,000 kids who are temporarily separated from i*****l i*******ts.

Are any of the kids you cite forcibly removed from their parents and placed in de facto internment camps?

Apples and oranges, can you say trumpstster hypocrisy?

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

Twardlow wrote:

This is not logic or facts, but total confusion an... (show quote)

People who rob a bank and are caught are put into custody by the state. If there is no other relative available, their children are taken away from them and put into temporary care by the state. Their children are not allowed to stay with them. People who come to this country illegally are criminals and put into custody of some sort. Their children are not allowed to stay with them. What don't you understand about people breaking the law trying to enter this country illegally?

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

Twardlow wrote:

This is not logic or facts, but total confusion an... (show quote)

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

Twardlow wrote:

This isn’t about children being allowed to go to jail with their parents; it is separating children from parents—by lies and tricks, creating undue and unnecessary psychological damage—from parents who have not been convicted of anything following due process.

People who rob a bank and are caught are put into custody by the state. If there is no other relative available, their children are taken away from them and put into temporary care by the state. Their children are not allowed to stay with them. People who come to this country illegally are criminals and put into custody of some sort. Their children are not allowed to stay with them. What don't you understand about people breaking the law trying to enter this country illegally?