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Apr 4, 2016 13:11:56   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
OnDSnap wrote:
So anyway,shouldn't LR-6 be installing as a stand alone even if it's an upgrade to 5 and has nothing to do with LR CC? I guess I should cancel my Credit Card payment. GRRRRRR!!!


Sounds like you should have 3 installs light room 5, 6 and lr6cc. It may be tricky to ensure you get all 3 the adobe installer will be trying hard to install lr6cc rather than lr6. you may need to change the install location from default.

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Apr 4, 2016 13:17:15   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
Yup, I agree...I can see LR-6 but when I try and launch it, LR CC opens...tried on 2 computers...Maybe I should uninstall all but 5...install 6 then CC. Humm...I tried calling Adobe, No phone support for Light Room. No matter what choice I made on their system.

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Apr 4, 2016 13:28:23   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
So anyway,shouldn't LR-6 be installing as a stand alone even if it's an upgrade to 5 and has nothing to do with LR CC? I guess I should cancel my Credit Card payment. GRRRRRR!!!


Yes, LR6 should install fine and work as expected, alongside the other versions.

I have LR3, LR4, LR5, and LR6, as well as CS5 and CS6 installed. No CC.

In my case, it's just laziness and too large a hard drive... I haven't carefully checked that all my catalogs are updated to the latest successfully and taken the time to uninstall the older programs. No shortage of space on my hard drive, so no big "incentive" to do anything yet. :roll:

If I were you, I'd redo the download and installation. It sounds as if it hung up, didn't complete or got corrupted somewhere in the process. Or maybe you accidentally got the incorrect version for your operating system. It is a fairly large download and lengthy installation, so you have to be rather patient and let it finish.

Maybe it's just me, but I've found LR6 to be a little "glitchy". It's begun giving me a "server busy" error every time it starts up. Thought I'd figured it out... that it was because LR6 was trying to access some network storage devices that were powered down. Seemed to work okay a couple times after I turned one of the devices on. Then this morning it did it again, even though the NAS is powered on and running.

The "server busy" stops LR6 from finishing loading until I click the "retry" and "use a different program" buttons a few time and it goes away.

Never had this problem with any earlier versions of LR (though I see some people have reported it happened to them.... and a bunch of different "fixes" with varying degrees of success, most of which I've already tried). I had other issues with some of the older versions, such as hanging while trying to optimize and backing up my catalog before exiting. (I forget how I got those fixed... it's been a while.)

I'm beginning to think that Adobe is sort of ignoring LR6, hoping people get tired of the glitches and subscribe to CC instead.

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Apr 4, 2016 13:46:53   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Yes, LR6 should install fine and work as expected, alongside the other versions.

I have LR3, LR4, LR5, and LR6, as well as CS5 and CS6 installed. No CC.

In my case, it's just laziness and too large a hard drive... I haven't carefully checked that all my catalogs are updated to the latest successfully and taken the time to uninstall the older programs. No shortage of space on my hard drive, so no big "incentive" to do anything yet. :roll:

If I were you, I'd redo the download and installation. It sounds as if it hung up, didn't complete or got corrupted somewhere in the process. Or maybe you accidentally got the incorrect version for your operating system. It is a fairly large download and lengthy installation, so you have to be rather patient and let it finish.

Maybe it's just me, but I've found LR6 to be a little "glitchy". It's begun giving me a "server busy" error every time it starts up. Thought I'd figured it out... that it was because LR6 was trying to access some network storage devices that were powered down. Seemed to work okay a couple times after I turned one of the devices on. Then this morning it did it again, even though the NAS is powered on and running.

The "server busy" stops LR6 from finishing loading until I click the "retry" and "use a different program" buttons a few time and it goes away.

Never had this problem with any earlier versions of LR (though I see some people have reported it happened to them.... and a bunch of different "fixes" with varying degrees of success, most of which I've already tried). I had other issues with some of the older versions, such as hanging while trying to optimize and backing up my catalog before exiting. (I forget how I got those fixed... it's been a while.)

I'm beginning to think that Adobe is sort of ignoring LR6, hoping people get tired of the glitches and subscribe to CC instead.
Yes, LR6 should install fine and work as expected,... (show quote)


I had all versions also but removed all but 5 back when 5 came out...I have CC and think it's the issue. I tried installing on 2 machines and same results on both, Nothing unexpected during Download and the install went as expected, correct version for Windows. I'll continue to search for an answer but I think it's Adobe's way of saying...sorry, if you have CC, you ain't getting LR 6. In which case I will dispute the purchase with my Credit Card company and may just cancel my $49 a month CC subscription to boot, I have other avenues to do my editing with.

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Apr 4, 2016 14:06:36   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
You edit RAW files. They may be leading you along. Does not seem correct or possible to me. Who are your clients that they even open your files with Photoshop or Lightroom, to print perhaps? Not at a print shop, the only issue there should be color space or bit depth.

If you are doing what you seem to be saying you better stop at Windows 7. Win 10 would not be happy.


They send me the raw files...which I then edit. I send everything back, I get paid,....done

I already stopped Win 10 from trying to load....unfortunate when they stop supporting 7, we'll have no choice.[/quote]

I guess I get what you are doing now. And be less critical. :?

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Apr 4, 2016 14:09:27   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
Pretty much nailed it...tools, filters, etc,etc,...the files I send them are not flattened, for several reasons. One being they have the right to re-edit...Some belong to them and the deal is they get it back either in PSDs or Tiffs with layers. If it's their work/photos I'm editing, I don't have a problem, if it's mine, they don't get the layers /originals. Who they are...Art directors, Designers and Printers. I go through the same thing with Cad files not being backwards compatible.
And yes, I don't like getting rid of older programs that I paid for...unless I need the space on the drives, usually not a problem these days. Not a pack rat, just kills me to let something go that at one time cost big bucks. Like all my old Nikon F2A's and AI lenses. Sitting on the shelves collecting dust..(not really, keep um covered. :)
Pretty much nailed it...tools, filters, etc,etc,..... (show quote)


I actually kind of feel the same way. Still have old program CD-ROMs for Windows 98, Office 97, around (waiting for the trash though). I still use my film cameras from time to time.

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Apr 4, 2016 14:19:09   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
So anyway,shouldn't LR-6 be installing as a stand alone even if it's an upgrade to 5 and has nothing to do with LR CC? I guess I should cancel my Credit Card payment. GRRRRRR!!!


Hmmm. Did you make sure you installed Lr6 and Lr5 in different Folders (Windows Subdirectories)? You don't want two programs "blending" somehow. Is that possible? Perhaps Adobe took control in a sense like Microsoft seems to be doing with Windows 8.1 and 10, and basically chunked one of you copies of Lightroom? People found that Win 10 was removing old non-MS programs and people were having to re-install, if they worked now at all. I have one PC running Win 7 and one with 10 because some programs I like don't run with 10. You say you are still using Windows 7? So perhaps Adobe is at fault. Try manually creating folders for each version copy you have of Lr. At least the last two anyway, Lr6 and LrCC or what ever. Lr seems to be slippery anyway (from my use of it briefly at school). I'm pretty much a Ps CS6 user. Used CS5 a little at school.

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Apr 4, 2016 14:24:46   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Hmmm. Did you make sure you installed Lr6 and Lr5 in different Folders (Windows Subdirectories)? You don't want two programs "blending" somehow. Is that possible? Perhaps Adobe took control in a sense like Microsoft seems to be doing with Windows 8.1 and 10, and basically chunked one of you copies of Lightroom? People found that Win 10 was removing old non-MS programs and people were having to re-install, if they worked now at all. I have one PC running Win 7 and one with 10 because some programs I like don't run with 10. You say you are still using Windows 7? So perhaps Adobe is at fault. Try manually creating folders for each version copy you have of Lr. At least the last two anyway, Lr6 and LrCC or what ever. Lr seems to be slippery anyway (from my use of it briefly at school). I'm pretty much a Ps CS6 user. Used CS5 a little at school.
Hmmm. Did you make sure you installed Lr6 and Lr5... (show quote)



I think I found the Answer. If you have LR CC Subscription (which I do) you can't have a serial #ed version, what they say to do, down load a trial LR CC and convert it to a Serial # version, So I'll give that a shot....I'll let you know later. Got to get to a meeting.

http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/serialize-lightroom-cc-trial-to-activate-as-lightroom-6.html#Convert_Lightroom_CC_trial_to_Lightroom_6

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Apr 5, 2016 03:44:14   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
I think I found the Answer. If you have LR CC Subscription (which I do) you can't have a serial #ed version, what they say to do, down load a trial LR CC and convert it to a Serial # version, So I'll give that a shot....I'll let you know later. Got to get to a meeting.

http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/serialize-lightroom-cc-trial-to-activate-as-lightroom-6.html#Convert_Lightroom_CC_trial_to_Lightroom_6


Hmmm. That is good to know. I could run in to a similar situation in the future with Ps CS6 if I start a Ps CC subscription but want to continue using CS6 as well.

Sorry I kind of gave you a hard time at first. It took me a long while to understand what you were doing and why. Seems unusual but now I get it.

Now thinking it thru I can think of my own situation not unlike your work flow in a way. My Father-In-Law was an Architect, Civil Engineer, and Building Contractor. He is deceased now. At one point I was working for him part time. Now remembering, there were times when he shared work in progress. Another architect might say design a building and my Father-In-Law because he was also a licensed civil engineer would take the plans and add engineering specifications and sample calculations to the plans since he had an engineering license and could sign or the building's engineering. Sometimes the architect wanted something that was not possible or not code and they would have an argument. He would complain about architects that only "drew pretty pictures but could not make the design work." So when the original project was not his the finished or corrected plans would go back to the architect. I sometimes helped with the lettering and doing say seismic or wind calculations. He was licensed for many types of buildings; homes, commercial buildings, retail, churches, but not schools or hospitals. Those needed a special license to engineer the design. He also did projects all his own. Note, this was all back in the paper days, ink and pencil drawings to Blueprints. These days this would be done with AutoCad or something similar. So just like your business, files would be traded back and forth.

I guess what threw me and I think a few other UHH'ers is that those of us that are strictly photographers or consider ourselves artists, or in my case advanced hobbyist. the thought of someone else altering an image would be a sin.

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Apr 5, 2016 05:49:44   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
lamiaceae wrote:
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I guess what threw me and I think a few other UHH'ers is that those of us that are strictly photographers or consider ourselves artists, or in my case advanced hobbyist. the thought of someone else altering an image would be a sin.


That's an interesting thought, but the pro's were using specialist film labs to develop and process images back in the day to get the best out of the image. I was watching a documentry about Sebastião Salgado and his wife was retouching prints bleaching faces to bring out detail with a small paint brush.

So not that much of a sin, and very much a partnership. I do my own digital processing but i'm more than willing to recognise that there are top class people who can finish an image far better and more consistently than I can.

george martin produced many records especially the Beatles, he certainly finished and mixed the recordings to a great quality.

When you consider how much people struggle with post processing on here I'm sure the option of giving that side of photography to a pro certainly appeals.

There are a few threads in "for your consideration" which are dedicated to other people post processing an initial photograph.

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Apr 5, 2016 06:00:06   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Hmmm. That is good to know. I could run in to a similar situation in the future with Ps CS6 if I start a Ps CC subscription but want to continue using CS6 as well.

Sorry I kind of gave you a hard time at first. It took me a long while to understand what you were doing and why. Seems unusual but now I get it.

Now thinking it thru I can think of my own situation not unlike your work flow in a way. My Father-In-Law was an Architect, Civil Engineer, and Building Contractor. He is deceased now. At one point I was working for him part time. Now remembering, there were times when he shared work in progress. Another architect might say design a building and my Father-In-Law because he was also a licensed civil engineer would take the plans and add engineering specifications and sample calculations to the plans since he had an engineering license and could sign or the building's engineering. Sometimes the architect wanted something that was not possible or not code and they would have an argument. He would complain about architects that only "drew pretty pictures but could not make the design work." So when the original project was not his the finished or corrected plans would go back to the architect. I sometimes helped with the lettering and doing say seismic or wind calculations. He was licensed for many types of buildings; homes, commercial buildings, retail, churches, but not schools or hospitals. Those needed a special license to engineer the design. He also did projects all his own. Note, this was all back in the paper days, ink and pencil drawings to Blueprints. These days this would be done with AutoCad or something similar. So just like your business, files would be traded back and forth.

I guess what threw me and I think a few other UHH'ers is that those of us that are strictly photographers or consider ourselves artists, or in my case advanced hobbyist. the thought of someone else altering an image would be a sin.
Hmmm. That is good to know. I could run in to a ... (show quote)


What your dad did, is Exactly what I do except for the Civil PE part, I do Architectural Design, Draw the construction docs for Residential homes, additions, remodels etc.etc. I used to build what we designed but age has put me in a back seat to that. For the younger guys. I do GC some jobs depending on the level of complexity. We do mostly 3D drawings today with fully rendered walk /fly thru. And yes I collaborate with other Architects, Art Directors, Designers, both art and interior, and finally Realtors, who at times all or none have their fingers in the pudding. For me to explain what I do can get lengthy. So I try to keep it short...
BTW, I was able to get LR-6 working and LR-CC, the caveat, I had to create another Adobe ID, install Stand alone LR 6 under assumed ID...I have to sign out of CC account, sing in under new ID. Obviously Adobe is making it difficult cause you can't find a link to do so on their site. The link I posted is from a LR forum that took me to an Adobe page.

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Apr 5, 2016 06:09:28   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
blackest wrote:
That's an interesting thought, but the pro's were using specialist film labs to develop and process images back in the day to get the best out of the image. I was watching a documentry about Sebastião Salgado and his wife was retouching prints bleaching faces to bring out detail with a small paint brush.

So not that much of a sin, and very much a partnership. I do my own digital processing but i'm more than willing to recognise that there are top class people who can finish an image far better and more consistently than I can.

george martin produced many records especially the Beatles, he certainly finished and mixed the recordings to a great quality.

When you consider how much people struggle with post processing on here I'm sure the option of giving that side of photography to a pro certainly appeals.

There are a few threads in "for your consideration" which are dedicated to other people post processing an initial photograph.
That's an interesting thought, but the pro's were ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Thanks, But I do most of my own Post Processing, however when doing work for others or working for others & with other talented people, they like to help stir the pot so to speak. And if it improves what I do, all the better.
(adding) I remember as you mentioned, back in the film days, going into the lab and working with the printing techs, at times we would spend hours printing and reprinting till it was just right. thankfully it wasn't a regular thing...they were talented to where they usually got it on the 1st or 2nd pass.

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Apr 5, 2016 06:11:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
blackest wrote:
That's an interesting thought, but the pro's were using specialist film labs to develop and process images back in the day to get the best out of the image. I was watching a documentry about Sebastião Salgado and his wife was retouching prints bleaching faces to bring out detail with a small paint brush.

So not that much of a sin, and very much a partnership. I do my own digital processing but i'm more than willing to recognise that there are top class people who can finish an image far better and more consistently than I can.

george martin produced many records especially the Beatles, he certainly finished and mixed the recordings to a great quality.

When you consider how much people struggle with post processing on here I'm sure the option of giving that side of photography to a pro certainly appeals.

There are a few threads in "for your consideration" which are dedicated to other people post processing an initial photograph.
That's an interesting thought, but the pro's were ... (show quote)


I more or less meant in the sense of unauthorized. What you are describing is a partnership.

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Apr 5, 2016 06:20:22   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I more or less meant in the sense of unauthorized. What you are describing is a partnership.


It is a partnership, in the sense of the word, just not like being married...well maybe I should take that back, arguments do ensue...LOL.

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Apr 5, 2016 06:22:58   #
FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
So anyway,shouldn't LR-6 be installing as a stand alone even if it's an upgrade to 5 and has nothing to do with LR CC? I guess I should cancel my Credit Card payment. GRRRRRR!!!

OnDSnap, I have Lr 5.7 and was thinking of getting a stand-alone Lr-6.
Was thinking of going the subscription CC suite of Ps & Lr for $9.99/mo but I am older than dirt and will never live long enuf to learn all the Photoshop stuff. Maybe I should stay with Lr 5.7 and get Elements 14.
I am not sure which path I should take but I am open for any suggestions. ~FiddleMaker

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