Adobe Cloud (Page 3): Thanks. I don't like subscriptions. Still, upgrading every couple of years raises some questions -- especially with companies that offer cosmetic or minor changes...

Donld

Thanks. I don't like subscriptions. Still, upgrading every couple of years raises some questions -- especially with companies that offer cosmetic or minor changes and call them upgrades. Don

jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA

rmalarz wrote:

As for PS / LR I've got the latest purchased versions. It will be years before I even start to consider a subscription due to the inability of those programs to do what I need them to do. Adobe is still updating ACR for new camera models. So, why go with any other software?
-Bob

Hey , if you are happy with what CS6 provides for you, then that is great. It is true with any software program we use... I have programs that are years old and quite a few releases removed from the current model, but they do what I need from them, even now.

The reality is we are always subject to any manufacturers business/product model... some we accept and adapt to, others we move away from. I adapted to newer versions of some very high priced software when I moved my pcs from 32bit to 64bit. My options were upgrade or find an alternate software replacement. Only your pros and cons can make that decision for you.

I was at an Adobe training seminar last night at Adobe HQ here in San Jose where Julieanne Kost was a guest presenter (in live events, she is always a hoot. Much is edited for her Adobe TV videos) Her presentation of some of the newer features of PS 2014 were stunning. She made a couple comments that had us rolling,,, like her watching her seminars and learning something that she forgot she knew. Or when PS is calculating and you are waiting impatiently for the graph bar to complete the process, a text window should come up saying "Hey, you do the math faster!"

An added benefit of that meeting was there were some Adobe management people there answering questions about the CC subscription and Photographers subscription specifically.

2 answers that I will pass on here are:
1. While the $9.99 pricing is not changing and there are no short or long range plans to increase the price, there is a never say never it will never happen. Well, I am OK with that, since the price of everything we buy in life is not guaranteed forever...
2. Anyone who originally purchased the upgrade to the photographers model with the adobe text, Behance, etc. will be grandfathered in and not lose them when they are phased out of the current photographers model that required no previous CS3 or higher ownership. That phase out will happen over the next 6-8 months, and continued membership is a prerequisite for grandfathering.

Anyway, a point to remember is that unless you really research what the new additions and changes of Lightroom, PS CC and 2014 are, you will not know what you are missing when you fire up CS6 or earlier. And to me, you are missing a lot.

smith934 Loc: Huntsville, Alabama

Dngallagher wrote:

At least the article is clear on what CC really is, although it is dated 5/10/13 - how did that petition do anyway?

Not to mention that the price quoted in the article ($20) is double the actual $9.99 price so the saving is double what the article says.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

G Brown wrote:

I thought putting Windows 8 on my new computer wa... (show quote)

A friend of mine purchased a laptop with Windoze 8 installed. Problems from the start. Soon downloaded and installed a 4G+ update. A 4G update? That's a new version. That failed to perform well, also.

Hit on a great solution. Mac. Runs and performs flawlessly. So much for MS in that household.
--Bob

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right." - Thomas Paine

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

rmalarz wrote:

A friend of mine purchased a laptop with Windoze 8 installed. Problems from the start. Soon downloaded and installed a 4G+ update. A 4G update? That's a new version. That failed to perform well, also.

Hit on a great solution. Mac. Runs and performs flawlessly. So much for MS in that household.
--Bob

Agreed 1000%!

Went from Winblows myself years ago, switched to Linux Ubuntu for the home here... then ended up going all Mac here.

No regrets at all, whole family enjoying the Apple Kool Aid here....several flavors ;)

Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA

DavidPine wrote:

It's all a matter of personal preference. I happen to like it. Ten dollars a month, in the real world, is chump-change. Two cups of coffee in London or Paris.

David that is so true, I use Adobe CC, and value it
David if you get fancy and decide to get a coffee at Starbucks, Caribou, etc. you might well spend the monthly subscription fee on a couple of cups of coffee

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

rmalarz wrote:

Why anyone would think this concept is the greatest thing since sliced bread is beyond me.

As far as whether it works or not, without problems, is not an issue with me, or anyone else who doesn't like it. There are other subtle issues that irritate me, as well as others.

An article for your perusal.

http://www.wired.com/2013/05/adobe-creative-cloud-petition/

--Bob

A lot had been revised on the cloud since May of 2013... It works well now.. everyone goes through a learning experience. Even Adobe. And, you can try it for 30 days and decide. If you decide not to do it, then no harm: No foul. And all you have to do then is either uninstall it or if it is LR5x and you own LR5x then do nothing. But, quit blaming the end of the known universe on Adobe. If you don't like it fine. But at least get your facts correct before spouting off to others.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

dcampbell52 wrote:

A lot had been revised on the cloud since May of 2013... It works well now.. everyone goes through a learning experience. Even Adobe. And, you can try it for 30 days and decide. If you decide not to do it, then no harm: No foul. And all you have to do then is either uninstall it or if it is LR5x and you own LR5x then do nothing. But, quit blaming the end of the known universe on Adobe. If you don't like it fine. But at least get your facts correct before spouting off to others.

You missed my point.
--Bob

srat50 Loc: Ware, Massachusetts

I have a standalone lightroom 5.6 will the cc vertion messwith it I'm not worried about photoshop cc

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

rmalarz wrote:

You missed my point.
--Bob

Sorry if I missed your point. My point is that many (not necessarily you) are saying that the cloud is holding you and your images hostage. Not true. And since the article was written, the base price for the LR / Photoshop has dropped from the "$20 per month" in the article to $10 per month which means over the course of a year, you are getting both Photoshop and LR for less than LR by it's self. Over the course of 2 years you get LR and Photoshop for less than the price of Photoshop by its self. If Adobe is on a 2 year cycle of upgrades this also guarantees that you will constantly be on the current version of LR/PS or what ever the choice is that you make. And for $50 per month, you can have everything in Adobe's arsenal. This is a package that would cost $3500 to purchase the Creative Suite outright.
Now, one thing that no-one is mentioning is that by going to the cloud, Adobe is eliminating CD/DVD copies of the software out there for hackers to pirate. So, by going to a cloud only model, they have put illegal copies out of the model. How is that a bad thing? If you aren't pirating the software, you are guaranteed an up to date version of the software going forward. Now, if the model works, and if Adobe really has 3 million current subscribers world wide, this is a good monthly cash flow for Adobe guaranteeing that the updates will continue to flow to the users. If the updates stop coming down, the users will quit subscribing and the cash flow will stop. With the old model, Adobe's cash was only happening if people decided to buy that version of which ever product they were using. If they didn't buy, then no cash flow. If that had happened then no one would have new releases of Adobe software. I don't think any of us want that.

Picdude Loc: Ohio

dcampbell52 wrote:

Sorry if I missed your point. My point is that man... (show quote)

Very well put, both the cost factor and the reasoning's behind the idea of the model.

Donld

jdubu wrote:

Hey , if you are happy with what CS6 provides for you, then that is great. It is true with any software program we use... I have programs that are years old and quite a few releases removed from the current model, but they do what I need from them, even now.

The reality is we are always subject to any manufacturers business/product model... some we accept and adapt to, others we move away from. I adapted to newer versions of some very high priced software when I moved my pcs from 32bit to 64bit. My options were upgrade or find an alternate software replacement. Only your pros and cons can make that decision for you.

I was at an Adobe training seminar last night at Adobe HQ here in San Jose where Julieanne Kost was a guest presenter (in live events, she is always a hoot. Much is edited for her Adobe TV videos) Her presentation of some of the newer features of PS 2014 were stunning. She made a couple comments that had us rolling,,, like her watching her seminars and learning something that she forgot she knew. Or when PS is calculating and you are waiting impatiently for the graph bar to complete the process, a text window should come up saying "Hey, you do the math faster!"

An added benefit of that meeting was there were some Adobe management people there answering questions about the CC subscription and Photographers subscription specifically.

2 answers that I will pass on here are:
1. While the $9.99 pricing is not changing and there are no short or long range plans to increase the price, there is a never say never it will never happen. Well, I am OK with that, since the price of everything we buy in life is not guaranteed forever...
2. Anyone who originally purchased the upgrade to the photographers model with the adobe text, Behance, etc. will be grandfathered in and not lose them when they are phased out of the current photographers model that required no previous CS3 or higher ownership. That phase out will happen over the next 6-8 months, and continued membership is a prerequisite for grandfathering.

Anyway, a point to remember is that unless you really research what the new additions and changes of Lightroom, PS CC and 2014 are, you will not know what you are missing when you fire up CS6 or earlier. And to me, you are missing a lot.

Hey , if you are happy with what CS6 provides for ... (show quote)

Appreciate your thoughtful and reasoned response. Very helpful.

retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

rmalarz wrote:

Why anyone would think this concept is the greatest thing since sliced bread is beyond me.

As far as whether it works or not, without problems, is not an issue with me, or anyone else who doesn't like it. There are other subtle issues that irritate me, as well as others.

An article for your perusal.

http://www.wired.com/2013/05/adobe-creative-cloud-petition/

--Bob

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Good article. I love the line: upgrade at gun point

-- exactly what it is. Some people just love to be victims.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

retlaw wrote:

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Good article. I love the line: upgrade at gun point

-- exactly what it is. Some people just love to be victims.

"Upgrade at gunpoint"? Why? Nothing forces anyone to upgrade at any time....

Some people just love bad info.