dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

Three things...
1. You're not a victim if you know and understand the "contract" before you sign or join.

2. As a professional photographer, the ENTIRE cost of subscription is a business expense. Software has to be capitalized and is a prorated deduction.

3. If you want to purchase the entire suite or piecemeal, and you plan to upgrade in the next few years, the "rental" plan still works. If you buy and then upgrade your cameras (which do have to be prorated as assets of the company) then the price of the software is a losing proposition. $3500 divided by 24 months is $146 per month, you can rent all of the same programs for $50 per month. If you take the same $3500 and divide it by the $50 per month it would take 70 months to pay for it. Standard Photoshop retails at $695 Lightroom retails at about $110. If you had both, it would take 81 months at $10 per month to pay for them. And, at some point in there, the software is going to be upgraded and you're stuck with the old version.

Lets see, Tax deductible for a business, only 10 per month for Lightroom and Photoshop vs $805 for the disks and no updates.

If you want to throw your money in the toilet so that you can say you have the disks stored somewhere and you "own" the software (which you don't, its only licensed, which is why the petition may make good noise but will not work). Why not sue Adobe.. no wait.. they own the software and are only letting you use it for $3500. So, you can't sue them for changing the process. It is like leasing a car for $36000 and being upset when the lease is up and the car manufacturer wants $40,000 for the new version. You either pay it or pay someone else. In Adobe's position, I guess you could go to Corel or what ever, but Adobe is the recognized standard for printing / image software.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

Good reply!

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retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

First know that I meant no personal insult by using the term victim. It is simply how I perceive the situation since you really have no choice in the matter. I am happy it works for you and I do appreciate you trying to help me understand your opinion; unfortunately, you did not convince me.

To your points:
1- It’s either sign on or you cannot use our software – that is what makes you a victim of ‘upgrade at gun point’. This is true whether or not you think you understand the contract.

2- In a business, the ENTIRE cost of the boxed software is also deductible so what’s you point?

3- The cost of the monthly use of Photoshop is $30/ month. After two years, that will cost me $720 vs the $695 you quote for the boxed version. While the cost of this cloud “rental” is already higher, I do believe that this cost differential will quickly increase. Obviously, if I held the boxed version for three years I would be saving $385 by using the boxed version, IF the cloud’s rental cost did not change, which is highly unlikely. Yes, I would be missing the “upgrades”, but they are usually of dubious value anyway – especially to us non-professionals.

Your comments in the later paragraphs of your post are more emotion than reason so I will ignore them. (Again, this is not meant as an insult; it is how I perceive it.) Good luck.

retlaw Loc: Northern New Jersey

Read the article to improve your info.

minniev Loc: MIssissippi

Though I can't generate much emotion over software (maybe I have too many more serious concerns), I do want to say that the cloud deal is working for me now. I do not particularly like or trust Adobe, but I am fine with my current CC plan, which gives me Photoshop, Lightroom and Behance pro site for $10 a month. Like many photographers, I did not sign up till they brought it down to this reasonable cost. I hedged my bets by getting and learning On One, who look like they are here for a while as a promising alternative.

I can't get all worked up over Adobe changing their product delivery plan either. I use many items that I buy outright (my car, my eyeglasses, my camera) and many others that I pay for using on a contractual basis (my phone, my termite inspection company, my health insurance). It doesn't really matter to me how it is delivered if it meets my needs and my budget.

Thus far, I've had no problems with the CC delivery, everything works seamlessly and I've only had to wrangle with Adobe's terrible tech support once, when I changed my email address (they insisted that I was the only person in their clientele who had ever changed their email address). It works, it's cost effective for someone like me with a meager retirement check, and it gives me more fun than the drive-through meal at Wendy's I could've bought instead. However, I'll still keep aware of alternatives...

TheDman Loc: USA

I read it. I didn't see anything about Adobe forcing you to do anything. Forcing people to buy something would be illlegal.

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

Oh, I never get brain freeze.
My head is too thick. :|

I bought the Elements 12 and downloaded it. But so far it's been like my other experiences with Adobe software. :roll:
I'm not to keen on this cloud concept.

I'm also an advent updater with any and all of my software. I think that is where a lot of people might get sideways. They don't keep their software updated.
In that respect, maybe the cloud works better for them. :idea:

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

I did read it, but again, this is an article that was written back in May of 2013, BEFORE the $10.00 a month photography plan even existed as a permanent plan.

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

You are wrong. The cost of the monthy use of Lightroom plus Photoshop is $10 per month. If you are dumb enough to sign up for Photoshop only and pay $30 per month then you deserve to be duped.
In addition, you can sign up for the entire cloud for $50 per month, so why would you sign for 1 program for $30? Unless, of course you think you will never use any of the publishing or website programs. It is your choice. They own the software, you can either use it or find other options. The big thing is that it will make it difficult for software pirates. And that helps us because it makes the software producers more incline to produce as they don't have to worry about theft.

I didn't take it as a personal insult. But, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you sign up. You can either get the cloud, use older non updated software, of find another provider. Its just like TV. You can either get cable, get satellite, or try to get off the air. Those are the only options. Yes, in the old days, you had (however many stations) depending on where you live. Now, with digital TV, you may or may not be able to receive half the stations with a pair of rabbit ears. You either get Dish, Direct TV, or cable. Maybe you can get off of the internet.. I don't know but in any case, the "providers" have to pay the TV stations for their product.

TheDman Loc: USA

Sign on to what? Sign up for the CC deal? Well, yes, you have to purchase something before you can use it. Not sure what that has to do with upgrading though.




This is a guy who's telling us to improve our info. ;)

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

With the cloud, you have a choice of upgrading or not. It keeps a copy of the older version in case there is a compatibility issue. You have a choice of opening LR5.6 or LR 5.5 or what ever the earliest version you started with. You also have the choice of deleting the older version if you choose. As I mentioned, the Lightroom / Photoshop combined package is $10. LR by itself sells for 110, and Photoshop for $595 so with Adobe you can either "finance" it for $10 per month ( yes it will never pay off, but it will also never be out of date) or if they drop the Disk product, fine another company to do business with. Unfortunately, Adobe is the leader in Image Product. ( There is Corel, but they have really declined since the old days when Adobe and they were neck and neck) Quark for Desktop publishing ($895 Mac only) or any number of also rans. You can even go with the free ware but, who knows how long each will remain or be upgraded. So do away with one meal at McDonald's about $10 per month or one nice $50 meal and either get the Photo cloud/ or entire thing. Don't get me wrong. If you can do with out, that's great, but don't belittle others and don't give bad or misleading info to justify your decision. And, if Adobe wants to go to a monthly/yearly (and yes you do have the choice to pay an Annual fee instead of monthly for a 20% discount), its their company and their product. There is no law that says they have to put it on floppy, cd, dvd, or cloud. They don't even have to sell it.. in fact, they could, if they wanted, make it only available in one language. It is their product. They could even go out of business. It is their choice not ours. Our only choice it whether to do business with them or not. It is OUR responsibility to get our fact straight and not find 2 year old articles full of speculation and innuendo. If you want to know something go to the source.
http://www.adobe.com
like it or hate it, those are the facts.

GTinSoCal Loc: Palmdale, CA

I have been completely happy with my CC.

I really like getting new functionality without having to download the WHOLE program. Took me 7 minutes last time!
I barely had time to get another cup of coffee (real not Starbucks)

I can't wait to hear what people say about Microsoft Office 365!

LOL
:-)

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

There is really nothing mysterious about Photoshop from "The Cloud". It's just a different way to distribute and price the product while maintaining up-to-date releases. If you need the functionality of Photoshop it is a bargain.

If you don't then maybe you should purchase something else like Picture Window Pro or Corel Paint Shop Pro. You might get free upgrades for a while but eventually you are going to have to shell out for a major upgrade.

SonnyE Loc: Communist California, USA

Apparently you missed the part where I keep all my software updated myself. And even though I very recently bought Elements 12, I have already updated it. (And it did do an update.) :hunf:
You bring to mind people who never update their AV software, then wonder why they have weird problems. Because they need someone to take care of them.
What somebody else does is really of little (no) concern to me.

If someone does not do routine update checks (I prefer automatic when available), then perhaps being cloud oriented is a good direction for them to go.
That way they can just pay for the updating to be done for them. No muss, no fuss. Bliss, even.
Where is anything I've posted "Bad or Misleading", David?

The Cloud is a good concept for a lot of people. Take my wife (Please) :lol: or her daughters family for an immediate example. They are folks "the cloud" was made for.
I have a Sister-In-Law who really should be in a cloud. Because she has more computer problems than a heifer with her first calf.
I happen to be of the other 80 percentile that manages fine when I'm not in a cloud. ;) In fact, I tend to stay completely outside the box.

You have a good time in your cloud though. :thumbup:

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

Apparently, you missed the part where I said, "in the cloud you can update or not. It keeps both pre and post copies of updated software so that if you need an earlier version, you can use it. All are on YOUR hard drive. You can delete the previous versions if you choose.. Key word here is YOU choose. But then if you choose not to do the cloud that is your choice too.. Since you are using Elements, then Lightroom is possibly more than what you are looking for.