PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/half-the-obamacare-call-center-jobs-are-part-time-without-healthcare/

Irony of ironies. I wonder if Jay Carney can explain this.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

What people are not taking into account is that there will be "levels" of care policies available. The "least expensive" (which most people will select as it has the lowest premiums) also features the lowest coverage. Thus, while they save on premiums as opposed to what's currently available, they still won't get the quality care at the cost they assume (those policies still have deductibles & copays & if they couldn't afford them before, they still won't be able to)...Do people really think it will be "Affordable" ?..If so for whom?

jcs Loc: USA

Obama FORCED his "Insurance " down our throats .
Against the will of the majority of the American public and their Employers I might add.

his "Insurance policy " is well over 15,000 pages of new rules and regulations ....so far
and Obama is in the process of hiring THOUSANDS of new IRS agents to ENFORCE them.

And that's just the "short" version .

I can't wait to see where this is going to be after your "long-range view" has matured. Lol

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

I would suggest you read the following article. In Florida the Insurance Commissioner runs the insurance pricing. The state recently took all health insurance price controls away from the IC for all policies written since Obamacare became the law of the land (2010) and turned them over to the the US Govt to regulate.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/26/3524233/state-deregulates-health-insurers.html

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I am just saying that there are as many projected problems with Obamacare as there are benefits and that it is ridiculous for Krugman to offer his glowing assessment so early in the implementation which is not going so smoothly. We are seeing more and more opposition to the bill as concerned parties weigh the impact it will have on their organizations, from small businesses to labor unions opposition is mounting. Krugman blows that off by simply not addressing it in his short glowing assessment.

The CBO estimates that the program will cost the government alone close to $1.4 Trillion during the period 2014-2023. That is just the impact on our government and does not at all account for the costs the law will impose on our nation's employers. As far as the implication of this unofficial tax on business it is hard to find solid reporting as the traditional news sources don't seem to be interested in reporting the impact and the sources that do would not be considered to necessarily be balanced sources but it does not mean that the reporting is untrue, just that it becomes hard to evaluate when the more mainstream news outlets avoid the issue. Personally I do not think that the ACA accomplishes its stated goals, I do agree that it does address some issues that needed to be addressed but then it goes much too far into democratic social engineering. I also think that it is clear that the majority in this country remain non-supportive of the law.

Lastly I think that policies such as the ACA have greatly slowed economic recovery and the president and the democrats refuse to address this issue, the president wants to blame the republicans for the slow recovery without assessing his own policies that have failed. Let's not forget that congress gave this president close to $1 trillion dollars which when spent went largely unaccounted for, another broken promise as I seem to recall it was ol' Joe's job to keep track of all the money, and was certainly not spent on the infrastructure as promised, I can't believe that he had the gonads to say "It seems that those shovel jobs weren't so shovel ready" and that statement alone was enough to satisfy the American people.. What have we become in this country, do we really have no interest in holding are leaders accountable or have we come to the conclusion that government is so corrupted that nothing we could do would matter anyway, are we officially sheeple at this point? Policies such as the ACA have frustrated our economic recovery, this president touts all the jobs he has created since having been in office when the reality is that if you study recession and recovery cycles the jobs lost during a recession have been recovered within 2 years after the recession began, this president has yet to fully recover the jobs lost in this recession and the jobs that have been recovered are not equal to the jobs that were lost, American families have taken about a 10% cut in pay. The president would also blame this on the republicans or turn our attention to the need for some democratic policy such as a raise in the minimum wage to help these families recover, when the fact is that it just goes deeply against the core fiber of this president to create the conditions which would foster economic growth, his belief is government is responsible for economic growth, setting proper conditions would require him to see the beauty in lessening the restraints that government places on the economy both economically and regulatory where feasible and set the conditions for this economy to come back under its own might. The basic argument between the free market economists and the Keynesians, but even John Maynard Keynes would be non supportive of how far today's Keynesians have tried to push his theory.

When you consider the impact of the "Patient Protection Affordable Care Act" and its voluminous and comprehensive regulatory impact on the medical and insurance industry, it is very unclear if it accomplishes what it set out to do even after the ACA takes full effect 10's of millions of Americans will remain uninsured and even worse yet, some 25 million Americans seeking gainful employment will remain unemployed or underemployed.

Don't yet claim victory Richard
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44176

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

Reflecting on the title of this thread, saying that Obamacare works today is like saying in the middle of May that the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series.

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

the GOVERMNENT UNIONS that supported it are AGAINST IT.
The Senate is trying to get EXEMPTIONS for their lackies.

When Obama and Biden sign up to have THEIR Families covered by 'affordable care act" then come talk to America

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

To which Gitzo said;

First of all, Richard, you get that goofy avatar back up there with your name ! I was almost ready to make a post that there were sure a lot of people named "Richard" that were idiots; (it's a good thing my photographic memory recognized your "94611" suffix in time!)

O.K. ..........I see you have been reading Paul Krugman; I hate to break this to you, Richard, but Paul Krugman is less credible as a source of accurate information, than even Michael Moore is ! Now that I see where you're getting your information, I can easily see why you are so concerned about global warming ! (BTW, had you heard that the great Al Gore is predicting another ice age ? (It's supposed to start in November) perhaps you should pick up a nice snow suit and some ice skates ?

Oh, and about "Obamacare"..........it's kinda like a great big train wreck that happens in slow motion over a period of time; but don't worry......even the idiots who wrote it are starting to realize what a disaster it's about to become; come to think of it, you must be the only one who hasn't noticed it yet; (but don't worry...you will....soon !)

And those folks you say are so "wildly happy" with it.....those are the folks that are getting it FOR FREE......cause fools like YOU are paying for it for THEM !

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

What has the government done t
hey have not bankrupted?

Social security? opps nope
Medicare? Nope broke
Postal service? Naa they broke
Welfare is broke, Fannie Mae? Broke Freddie Mac? Broke.

Now they want to take the best health care system in the world and screw that up.
Thanks but no thanks. Your precious president COULD get the economy back on its feet SIMPLY by permitting US companies to drill US oil and gas, Authorize the pipeline and secure the borders making Americans SAFER.
Clearly he does not consider security a priority.
He fails to enforce laws already passed and fails o follow his own health care laws.

Black on black crime more rampant than ever. Does he not want to help his people become self sufficient? He has shown utter indifference to the plight of that democrat utopia DETROIT.

Detroit is what happens when liberal democrats get their way with out opposition. Chicago next? Then DC? Philly? LA? NY?

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

No matter how you spin it, that is another lie. The majority of Americans still don't like Obamacare. "CBS/NYT Poll: More Americans Than Ever Support Obamacare Repeal" Now we all know how conservative CBS & The New York Times are, so obviously this is a Republican lie.

The truth is that your assertions that those who have Obamacare like it, is as pointless as a bald hedgehog, of course people who get free stuff are going to like it, while most who have to pay the bills will not.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

I truly could not agree with you less, but we will just have to wait another year or two in order to fully understand the impact of the ACA on the economy. Because of this, I am not going to go through your post with a fine-tooth comb and refute what you have stated. Time will tell. And we will have plenty of that to dissect the situation in the months and years ahead.

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

One of the points for adopting Obamacare is that it would LOWER insurance by as much as $2500. It is now known that the premiums will increase. POTUS is still touting that it will reduce the rates and uses NYS as an example. However, according to several reports earlier this weer, this will be true for 17000 NY'ers.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

You are correct in what you have stated. However, we will not know the full impact until about a year from now. Then we will know whether or not it lowered (or decreased the rate of increase) insurance rates. We do not yet have enough data to make a definitive determination about whether or not it achieved this purpose in an overall fashion. Stayed tuned a year. The answer will eventually come, but not now.

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

That's great, read your OP and then read this post.

GregC Loc: Alabaster, Al

If it works so well why are the IRS employees so concerned about being required to have Obamacare. If the ones supposed to administer it doesn't want it, ought to make wonder what's wrong with it.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/26/irs-employees-union-is-very-concerned-about-being-required-to-enroll-in-obamacares-health-insurance-exchanges/