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Jan 4, 2018 07:45:28   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OddJobber wrote:
Who are you kidding?

Your "innovative" iCamera describes everything to be hated in an iPhone camera, and you took away the phone!


Yes, seems like it!

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Jan 4, 2018 07:58:45   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
manpho789 wrote:
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 years or perhaps less.

The Point and Shoot is dead, with smartphone cameras eclipsing them. Mirrorless makes complete sense, eliminating clunky mechanical stuff. A next step would be entirely electronic shutters, the mechanical shutter being failure prone and having other limitations. That is entirely likely, only quick dumping of the last sensor image (after transfer to buffer) being required. Think how far sensors and semiconductor technology has gone in 10 years. View finders could be eliminated too, with only a real time sensor generated 3” + display showing state of focus, along with various settings and parameters. The bright sunlight objection can be overcome by a detachable viewing hood. That should result in less eye strain and easier composition of the photo.

What all this adds up to is what might be called the “iCamera”. It will be just a flat device that mounts lenses on its front side, and has its view screen on the back side. It might be around 1/2” thick, enough to have a few buttons or wheels on the sides. Details can be argued about, but the electronic shutter, the elimination of the mirror and separate view finder, all adds up to a drastically simpler and lower cost camera. And a more capable and durable one. One might wonder whether Nikon, Canon or Sony would initiate such a product, of if some upstart company does. The big DSLR companies have a dilemma, whether to be first and capture a new camera paradigm, vs undermine their present markets in DSLR cameras.
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OK. Everyone wanting to toss their big bulky Digital Hasselblads for a supped-up SmartPhone with a longer lens, please pack up your Dinosaurs and mail them too me.

Actually I thought it was the electronic shutter that had the limitations. Those were tried long ago during the infancy of the digital age. This issue with digital camera shutters is that they are designed to fail. I have mechanical film cameras build from the late forties up to the nineties and only one shutter has ever died on me. And of course it had to be the most expensive one, a Pentax 6x7 cloth-rubber focal plane shutter. Camera body was given away and I sold the lenses and meter prism finder for a profit.

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Jan 4, 2018 08:04:24   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Me, I'd love to have the camera I used at work at one time that I am sure they disposed of, a 8x10" Burke & James wooden view camera!

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Jan 4, 2018 08:05:16   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
EVFs will never be eliminated. They are far better than those horrible 3” LCD screens, and a viewing hood simply makes the camera too bulky.

What might be coming soon are flat lenses using nanoprisms to focus the light. Great strides are now being made there.

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Jan 4, 2018 08:13:26   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
Boy, you folks have no imagination....

First, as EVFs become better higher resolutions and quicker response times - give the ability to tell when a polarizing filter is at maximum effect, etc.) they will also become separated from the image-capture portion of the system. After all, why think of a camera as a single-piece device? Having the viewfinder wirelessly communicating with the "main body" will allow you to hold the camera at arm's length or off at a distance on a support of some kind (tripod? drone?) to get the best perspective. This, in a sense, is what the Sony stuff was (though I don't think they sell much of them)

For improved imaging, the notion of curved image sensors has been hypothesized. The current flat sensors are a result of the chip manufacturing process (bologna slices of silicon wafers being put through the process) but more ideal for photography purposes would be sensors that follow a spherical curvature - this would eliminate or greatly reduce the need for corrections in the lenses that today must be built to give a flat depth of focus (not depth of field, that's a different thing). This of it like this - a lens has a focal point, right? And focal length is defined as the distance from that focal point to the center of the imaging chip behind it. That's the concept, but of course a 50MM distance from a point describes a sphere - so lens designers must tweak the design to allow for a flat area of projected focus onto the chip (or film - it's always been thus). The point is, if a technique were invented to mass produce imaging ships that follow a spherical curve shape lenses would be far simpler to design.

Technology advances at an exponential rate, something our brains have a hard time imagining...so these things may well become the norm in a decade.

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Jan 4, 2018 08:37:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
First off, I'm curious as to why you would use the possessive form of camera in your title.

Secondly, start up a Go Fund Me and build one of these.
--Bob
manpho789 wrote:
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 years or perhaps less.

The Point and Shoot is dead, with smartphone cameras eclipsing them. Mirrorless makes complete sense, eliminating clunky mechanical stuff. A next step would be entirely electronic shutters, the mechanical shutter being failure prone and having other limitations. That is entirely likely, only quick dumping of the last sensor image (after transfer to buffer) being required. Think how far sensors and semiconductor technology has gone in 10 years. View finders could be eliminated too, with only a real time sensor generated 3” + display showing state of focus, along with various settings and parameters. The bright sunlight objection can be overcome by a detachable viewing hood. That should result in less eye strain and easier composition of the photo.

What all this adds up to is what might be called the “iCamera”. It will be just a flat device that mounts lenses on its front side, and has its view screen on the back side. It might be around 1/2” thick, enough to have a few buttons or wheels on the sides. Details can be argued about, but the electronic shutter, the elimination of the mirror and separate view finder, all adds up to a drastically simpler and lower cost camera. And a more capable and durable one. One might wonder whether Nikon, Canon or Sony would initiate such a product, of if some upstart company does. The big DSLR companies have a dilemma, whether to be first and capture a new camera paradigm, vs undermine their present markets in DSLR cameras.
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 yea... (show quote)

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Jan 4, 2018 08:46:33   #
manpho789
 
lamiaceae wrote:
OK.

“Actually I thought it was the electronic shutter that had the limitations. Those were tried long ago during the infancy of the digital age. This issue with digital camera shutters is that they are designed to fail. I have mechanical film cameras build from the late forties up to the nineties and only one shutter has ever died on me. And of course it had to be the most expensive one, a Pentax 6x7 cloth-rubber focal plane shutter. Camera body was given away and I sold the lenses and meter prism finder for a profit.
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What? Digital camera shutters are designed to fail??? The speed, controllability, accuracy and reliability of an electronic shutter will almost certainly become greater than a mechanical shutter. There are no moving parts to wear out, no rubber or cloth to deteriorate, no speed limitations, etc. Dont underestimate the rapid progress in microelectronics. Think of how far it’s progressed in just a few years. The present (technological) moment rarely represents how things will be in a few years. Whatever limitations electronic shutters have now will be quickly eliminated.

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Jan 4, 2018 09:05:19   #
manpho789
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, I'm curious as to why you would use the possessive form of camera in your title.

Secondly, start up a Go Fund Me and build one of these.
--Bob


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It’s plural isn’t it? It would have had an apostrophe if possessive. But why mention such a fine point of grammar? Why are you “curious”?

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Jan 4, 2018 09:11:16   #
easystreets1
 
Point-and-shoot as a marketplace, cell phone based or otherwise, will likely moves to multi-lens systems like the L-16 as processing improves and data transfer to cloud storage becomes faster and more widespread (in terms of capable coverage). SLR's will stay, but for composition/artistic purposes. Processing software will become more automated and move off your computer into the camera.

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Jan 4, 2018 09:27:15   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
manpho789 wrote:
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It’s plural isn’t it? It would have had an apostrophe if possessive. But why mention such a fine point of grammar? Why are you “curious”?


It does have an apostrophe. A fine point maybe, but it would have gotten me an F on an English paper in my high school.

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Jan 4, 2018 09:48:28   #
Dbl00buk Loc: Orlando
 
In regard to more pros are using mirrorless....

This past year I've been to 2 weddings
watching hired photogs using mirrorless (Sony A7 series).

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Jan 4, 2018 09:58:57   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Singular - camera
Plural - cameras
Possessive - camera's

Good grammar saves lives. There's a big difference between Let's eat grandma and Let's eat, grandma.
--Bob
manpho789 wrote:
——————
It’s plural isn’t it? It would have had an apostrophe if possessive. But why mention such a fine point of grammar? Why are you “curious”?

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Jan 4, 2018 10:01:28   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
manpho789 wrote:
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 years or perhaps less.

The Point and Shoot is dead, with smartphone cameras eclipsing them. Mirrorless makes complete sense, eliminating clunky mechanical stuff. A next step would be entirely electronic shutters, the mechanical shutter being failure prone and having other limitations. That is entirely likely, only quick dumping of the last sensor image (after transfer to buffer) being required. Think how far sensors and semiconductor technology has gone in 10 years. View finders could be eliminated too, with only a real time sensor generated 3” + display showing state of focus, along with various settings and parameters. The bright sunlight objection can be overcome by a detachable viewing hood. That should result in less eye strain and easier composition of the photo.

What all this adds up to is what might be called the “iCamera”. It will be just a flat device that mounts lenses on its front side, and has its view screen on the back side. It might be around 1/2” thick, enough to have a few buttons or wheels on the sides. Details can be argued about, but the electronic shutter, the elimination of the mirror and separate view finder, all adds up to a drastically simpler and lower cost camera. And a more capable and durable one. One might wonder whether Nikon, Canon or Sony would initiate such a product, of if some upstart company does. The big DSLR companies have a dilemma, whether to be first and capture a new camera paradigm, vs undermine their present markets in DSLR cameras.
I wonder what cameras will be like in, say, 10 yea... (show quote)


I read these threads with amusement. I hear all the speculations about what the future technology might be and chuckle. Well, the future is here and has been here for many years. All these things you describe already exist. AND they are moving, their way into the consumer photography market.

I've been involved with spectroscopy for over 3 decades. I've watched the spectrometers change from big, slow, mechanical w/mechanical shutters (chopper wheels), 100lb (and larger) behemoths to small, electronic, high speed, high accuracy, low cost devices with reliability and durability orders of magnitude improved over the mechanical systems. Full systems, including optics and electronics that are smaller than a 1" cube. I still have Ocean Optics spectrometers in my drawers. And a spectrometer has all the elements of a camera just captures a different type of image.

The mirrorless cameras of today are incorporating much of the technology innovations I've seen in the spectroscopy market more than 20 years ago.

The cameras in the smartphones portent the future, starting off with single lens, electronic shutters and computer processing the image. They are moving to dual lens for improved images, different focal lengths and bokeh. Image quality in improving by leaps and bounds. That's the initial start. And did I say 'no moving parts'?

The Lytros camera used a large sensor (40Mb+) with a lens array giving various focal points and FL, simultaneously. Huge innovation. They weren't successful in the consumer market but has developed large (750MB+) systems for the cinema and broadcasting market and appears to be much more successful there.

The Light L16 continues this trend, just using a bunch of separate lens/sensors (i.e. sensor/lens array) and using computational power to finish the image. This gives them a significant advantage in sensor area, dynamic range, noise along with stereoscopic views and multi-focal length lens all firing at the same time easily giving it the potential to rival high end single sensor systems of yesterdays technology, but in a much smaller package. And their 50MP+ images looks very good.

We retirees would like to believe that our old buggy whips will continue to reign king forever. But as younger generations come into the photography field, they hold no preconceived notions or fond memories of old to prejudice their buying decisions.

We may deny, we may kick and buck, we may argue, we may cry and reminisce of the old days, but the technology of photography, just as everywhere else, is changing and changing rapidly.

Don't have to wait for 10 years to see the future, just look around folks.

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Jan 4, 2018 10:15:09   #
jhcarvajal
 
All good except eliminating the view finder.

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Jan 4, 2018 10:16:37   #
RolandDieter
 
your iCamera thought mirrors the Sony NEX cameras just about exactly. They were first introduced maybe 10 years ago. Much better images than smartphones.

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