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May 5, 2012 10:52:15   #
mjz Loc: Northeast Pa.
 
Thank you to the OP for sharing that letter. We would all be better off if we quit arguing politics and start caring about each other. This country is being so torn apart by money and politics people need to stick together more now than ever, honor those who fought for our freedom, remember the principles upon which this country was founded. We are losing more freedom everyday and cannot see the forest for the trees.

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May 5, 2012 10:54:22   #
picturedude Loc: Yosemite natl. park, Ca.
 
Pepper wrote:
The following is an excerpt from a speech a dear friend of mine gave just weeks before he passed. He was a WWII vet and this is the only reference to the war I ever heard him make. I found this yesterday while cleaning out a file cabinet.

I am a conservative and I don’t believe in abortion BUT I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree. I don’t believe in same sex marriage BUT I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree. I don’t like big government BUT I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree. I believe in God the Father and Jesus the Son BUT I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree. I believe that God created BUT I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree. I am a conservative; I fought and took the lives of other men so that you could disagree NOT so you could call me names when you disagree. You want to thank me for my service? Here’s how, respect those who disagree with you and remember that many gave their lives so they could.
The following is an excerpt from a speech a dear f... (show quote)


RIGHT ON!!!!!!!

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May 5, 2012 10:59:08   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
RixPix: humor is indeed the great lubricant making a bitter pill of truth easer to swallow.
... show laid bare all things that were out of date in their thoughts will making everyone laugh and think. Indeed.

And as Bob Dylan put it: The times are a-changin get out the door way... Over and Out... on to greater things like lunch.

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May 5, 2012 11:05:29   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Roger Hicks wrote:
RixPix wrote:
. . . What is for certain is that if you are older that 45 you are irrelevant to today's new and developing society. So disagree all you want....


Certain? Have you looked at the age of most politicians?

You are irrelevant only if (a) you are determined to be so, and/or (b) you are determined to make no attempt whatsoever to understand changing society (as you pointed out in the rest of your post).

Cheers,

R.


In this instance irrelevant refers to an individuals ability to affect change.

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May 5, 2012 11:07:52   #
jolly1
 
ole sarg wrote:
The above is another right wing piece of crap. It is recorded as a speech given, a note found, etc.

I did 43 years in the US Army and find this type of thing insulting!




Ol' sarg, I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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May 5, 2012 11:21:19   #
chienfou Loc: Valley Stream, NY
 
In the speech he keeps referibg to himself as a conservative. I find renarkable that my friend who lost the use of one arm in "NAM" agrees with him 100% and he's a LIBERAL..

I think the way to honor those who sacrificed so much is by living the LIFE they fought for us to have with DIGNITY and RESPECT for each other.

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May 5, 2012 11:28:05   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Just look at the post. I fought for and am therefore more tolerant than you even if your are a homosexual, or whatever.

I fought and went to war 5 times and am a LIBERAL. I do not wear a flag lapel pin like Cheney who did not go he had more important things to attend to, or Bush who evaded his service, or most of the other chicken hawks.

We who went fought got wounded or not or died did so for our own personal reasons not some drummed up pseudo-patriotic hype presented above.

AS my old jump master used to say: don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining!

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May 5, 2012 11:43:28   #
jolly1
 
ole sarg wrote:
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Just look at the post. I fought for and am therefore more tolerant than you even if your are a homosexual, or whatever.

I fought and went to war 5 times and am a LIBERAL. I do not wear a flag lapel pin like Cheney who did not go he had more important things to attend to, or Bush who evaded his service, or most of the other chicken hawks.

We who went fought got wounded or not or died did so for our own personal reasons not some drummed up pseudo-patriotic hype presented above.

AS my old jump master used to say: don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining!
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Ju... (show quote)



If you didn't go to war for God and Country, but only for "personal reasons," I can well imagine what those were.
Your local Judge told you that he was offering you an option.

"Either join the Army or go to jail!"

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May 5, 2012 11:52:17   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I have no idea who you are, but you could not be wronger. But, then again as I said, conservatism is a word for bigotry and cowardice.



jolly1 wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Just look at the post. I fought for and am therefore more tolerant than you even if your are a homosexual, or whatever.

I fought and went to war 5 times and am a LIBERAL. I do not wear a flag lapel pin like Cheney who did not go he had more important things to attend to, or Bush who evaded his service, or most of the other chicken hawks.

We who went fought got wounded or not or died did so for our own personal reasons not some drummed up pseudo-patriotic hype presented above.

AS my old jump master used to say: don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining!
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Ju... (show quote)



If you didn't go to war for God and Country, but only for "personal reasons," I can well imagine what those were.
Your local Judge told you that he was offering you an option.

"Either join the Army or go to jail!"
quote=ole sarg Conservatism has become a code wor... (show quote)

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May 5, 2012 11:59:52   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
So tell me did you go? Did you serve? Did you go into combat? I am inclined to think not. I am inclined to believe you are one of those chicken hawks.

Further, most were drafted. Do you think the draftees went in for God, Country, Motherhood and Apple Pie.

If so you are even stupider than your comments make you out to be!


jolly1 wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Just look at the post. I fought for and am therefore more tolerant than you even if your are a homosexual, or whatever.

I fought and went to war 5 times and am a LIBERAL. I do not wear a flag lapel pin like Cheney who did not go he had more important things to attend to, or Bush who evaded his service, or most of the other chicken hawks.

We who went fought got wounded or not or died did so for our own personal reasons not some drummed up pseudo-patriotic hype presented above.

AS my old jump master used to say: don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining!
Conservatism has become a code word for bigot. Ju... (show quote)



If you didn't go to war for God and Country, but only for "personal reasons," I can well imagine what those were.
Your local Judge told you that he was offering you an option.

"Either join the Army or go to jail!"
quote=ole sarg Conservatism has become a code wor... (show quote)

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May 5, 2012 12:26:26   #
neil43
 
Grumpy D Stevens wrote:
dpullum wrote:
Strange how todays ultra-conservatives are really against the conservative statements of Pepper's friend. They are wanting to constrict the Bill of Rights and to intrude on personal freedoms of people. Please do not confuse People with "people" as defined by the present Supreme (questionable) Court. To quote Romney, "Well, companies are people too, my friend." Hell NO, companies are not people. Distortion of language erodes the reasoning ability of our populous. Step by step Mega-industries are by way of contributions (Bribery) taking over our government. The loss of well defined standards of language will lose all that Pepper's friend and our relatives fought for. Please see the you-tube presentation of a professor of linguistics. While he is a "liberal" it does not make what he has to say about distortion of language less true, nor would his religion or the size of his shoes... what he says is analytical assessment of utilization of language for political power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo4whfUDPcU
Strange how todays ultra-conservatives are really ... (show quote)


Sorry, but it is not the ultra conservatives who want to take away our freedoms and liberties. It is the left! Who are the ones who want to control the internet? Which wants to take off of the air waves the likes of Rush, and Glenn, and others who are actually telling the truth about what the government is doing to us? It is the ultra liberals, or should I call them what they like: progressives. In my opinion, they are also socialists, and communists; some of the radicals are even worse.
But it is not the conservatives. MOST of the conservatives want to blow the lid off of the "secret" crap that the government is doing to us. Unfortunately, the media in this country is of the leftist variety and they would never dream of actually reporting the news as they should. They only report what they want us to know. Government is the problem, period.
quote=dpullum Strange how todays ultra-conservati... (show quote)


Sigh. This sort of rant makes me feel there is actually no hope for our country. Grumpy, please check your "facts" when listening to Rush and the others, if you can hear any in their spew. You feel that conservatives want transparency, yet they are the ones hiding campaign dollars under the protection of "Citizens United."

And perhaps give some careful thought to what the role of government should be. (For example: Should it be monitoring all pregnancies?)

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May 5, 2012 13:09:18   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Politics is an everyday part of our lives.
Maybe to be respectful we should say all parties should learn the art of respectfully disagreeing.

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May 5, 2012 14:20:32   #
Lancer W/A Canon Loc: atlanta
 
Danilo wrote:
Thank you for posting that, Pepper. As I was reading it many things came to mind and I was going to have several comments. As I reached the end I realized the best comment would be no comment...he said it all.
Thanks again.


DITTO!

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May 5, 2012 15:23:19   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
ward5311 wrote:
Pepper wrote:
One of the things that struck me was that we generally think in terms of the lives that were lost in battle and seldom reflect on the pain our service people feel about the lives they had to take.


Yes and most would never talk about it. They seek no recognition. They harbor these things for years. The greatest generation..Absolutely..Nam vets heroes? Absolutely. But I also have the utmost respect for our young soldiers..They too are heroes in my book..They are given ridculous rules of engagement that get many killed or wounded..In WWII it is was simple..You kill the enemy before he kills you or your brothers..Period.
There was no PC bullshit to deal with. Our young men and women are being told to fight for purely political gains..DO you think McAurthur or Patton were concerned about PC?
I am sickened by anyone that would use the lives of these
soldiers for political gains. This happens on both sides of the isle. If permitted I would gladly take the place of one young man in Afghanistan. I have faced death several times and I am not afraid to die. I have been around for 59 years. I'd trade that today for a young 21 yo soldier. Sorry for the rant but this is very close to me and I don't hold my feelings in.
quote=Pepper One of the things that struck me was... (show quote)

The crap of politicians regulating the minutiae of battle began with Lyndon Johnson (whom I loathe). He made the statement that "they can't bomb a sh**house without my permission". He made a rule that we couldn't attack anything more than 72 (I think) feet off the road. Care to guess where the North Vietnamese put their missile launchers? I firmly believe that no person should be elected president without having been in the military, preferably combat. To send people to war, you need to understand what that means in torn bodies and torn families. Consider Obama and George W. Bush. The difference in George W. and his father was combat. George senior told his generals what he wanted and left them alone. He was very reluctant to get into war.

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May 5, 2012 17:02:19   #
chienfou Loc: Valley Stream, NY
 
"The difference in George W. and his father was combat. George senior told his generals what he wanted and left them alone. He was very reluctant to get into war."

Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.

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