knightmarian

But isn't war all about politics?

Pepper, your friend was definitely a hero. Thanks for sharing.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Not necessarily, economics can play a large role.

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

Hold on. This IS politics. The quote was a powerful political statement in favour of tolerance.

As for politics and economics, how far can the two be separated?

Cheers,

R.

charlie Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota

Your thoughts are very moving. Thank you.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

The above is another right wing piece of crap. It is recorded as a speech given, a note found, etc.

I did 43 years in the US Army and find this type of thing insulting!

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

I fully see your point, but I'll take speeches in favour of tolerance from wherever I can get 'em, from left or right. There's a powerful amount of intolerance in this world, all too much of it right here on UHH.

Cheers,

R.

charlie Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota

LEFT WING CRAP (this reply was too easy!)

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

To restate and to clarify. Freedom and the Pepper-friend comments are a statement of our "Bill of Rights" in part. These Rights that were fought for in WW-2 (and in some small degree since) are in jeopardy. Both Dem/Rep take lots of $$$ from big money people and corporations. Presently (yes, to a degree historically) we vote for elected officials who will vote for the bills; too often as the big money contributors (bribes) wish. However, the big $ contributions are heavy on the Conservative’s side. "The Republican National Committee filed an amicus brief in the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals today challenging the century-old federal ban on direct corporate contributions to candidates for office.” Sorry, difficult to find clean statements on this subject! Not surprised.
http://blog.pfaw.org/content/republican-party-comes-out-support-direct-corporate-contributions-candidates

Forget the leaning of the youtube reference, the point he is making is that the conservatives are master of Orwellian Truth Speak. And by redefining words combining words the Republican Party is distorting the thinking of a populous that ranks 17 in the world in science!

I am a registered Independent... I have voted for republicans... Nixon was a great president in many ways; a stupid cover-up brought him down. The party the shift came with Reagan and the mystic thinking of senility as in the Peter Sellers movie Being There.
Note the comments of the Reagan campaign manage near the end of the article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1828&dat=19800325&id=-II0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=dqcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2740,5498061

What I am saying is that words can distort thinking... advertizing is based on this. The republican-Rove ministry of propaganda is master at this.

The freedoms fought for in WW-2 can be lost. We have lost Rights... President Bush's support for the law -- the Military Commissions Act of 2006 -- and its suspension of writs of habeas corpus first codified by the Habeas Corpus Act 1679, England. Has Obama reinstated it, to his discredit, NO! Both are wrong.

Any one involved in WW-2 would say torture is wrong... yet we now do it. McCain has denounced it... Kudos to him... himself a victim.

What is this crap of saying it is wrong and "political" to comment on the state of our country... it is affected by political things today... and it endangers those basic freedoms. I am not a fool unable to see the dangers of our system today. Do not expect me to say, "how nice" regarding Pepper's friends comments.. without defending them and the things he fought for, then I would be doing them an injustice.

And to use the finge pointing word Socialism as tho it was all bad... hay I drive on a roadway that was paid for via socialism collective payment for the good of all. Thinking is muddy regarding socialism… I define socialism as when government sets standards, collectively pools tax money and does good for the nation. Simple example… funding research for ending Polio.. remember that.. and Small Pox.. remember that. We do not live in a simplistic Limbaughian Black/White Right/Wrong World. Why label things in the extreme... good food is a little of many spices mixed... as is a well run nation.

And those bridges to NYC! Do I care if they fall down,, yes,,, was I willing to pay into a tax system to fund rebuilding our nation…yep…

Guys and Gals we are all in this boat together... I am 76 and I have seen great slippage in our freedom fought for in WW-2. The debate in the congress which has degenerated into obstructionism… when one party says that it goal is to get the president out of office regardless of the cost to the nation… hay… that is wrong… when Michigan governor disenfranchises a large portion of the population and does direct take over of cities… That is wrong. When our nation resorts to simplistic solutions .. well, then the toilet has been flushed hang on to the rim.. WW-2 guys fought for our nation and it values and freedoms. (As did others)And political, ethical, moral discourse. WW-2 was a political war… Democracy vs Lock Step Fascism. Long live America and the Constitution and Bill of Rights…

rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi

I will wait for another thread to enter this bout from the left-wingers.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

rfbccb: this is not a foot ball game! Not full stop left or right... it is a shades of gray world... god or no god.. all good or all bad. Much of America is too use to foot ball win or lose and adhors a tie. Much of America is tied to infantile thinking... the world is a complicated chess game and not a simplistic checkers game. What on earth is a left-winger? What is a Right-winger. What is a liberal,,, am I a liberal.. huh... do not lump people as feeing one side or other on ALL issures. Ask a specific issue, Issue by issue ... I may be what is defined as liberal or conservative or even though of as out in left field.. oops there I go with a football term! Pigeon holing is a danger to our society.. compromise and debate - open and intellectual - is needed to have a nation survive...

Rfbccb please define a few things... do you think we have lost some of those hard fought for freedoms? Please do start a new forum, that inspection and debate is what is going to keep our nation free.

russelray Loc: La Mesa CA

I agree....
Wait! I disagree....
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe I'll just go out and take some pictures. lol

LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.

I"M SO SORRY, I did give credit to the wrong post, Mr.
rfbccb please except my appoloy for my mistake. You
my friend have nail the nail right onthe head.I do
agree with your reply 100%. Words spoken are hard to
take back once spoken,espeially if spoken wrongly.
I really need to pay more attention to my words and
wording.My loving wife reminds of this all the time.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Agree with Larry, it was not you rfbccb who said a load of left wing crap... opps,,,back to remedial reading for me!

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

My father, 9 uncles (3 died) and 3 aunts (WAVES) all served in WWII. My mother made bombs while the men were away. I have a very keen understanding of the place the commentator comes from. However, that place was a long time ago, a different time far removed from today both in time and perspective. The comments show an unwillingness to accept change and a willingness for disagreement.

This is quite common within every generation as it ages.

The world turns and changes occur in perspective. A percent of the population perishes everyday and change occurs. Whether one views the change as positive or negative depends upon the perspective of the observer.

As my birthday nears, I can safely say that in the more than half-century since my birth the world is changed. Some of these changes were expected as the standard levels of education in this country have improved. Our issues include a new more educated perspective toward all things has become the norm.

We were taught equality and tolerance and we taught that all goals are achievable and my generation achieved great things including the technology that we use to participate in this forum. We also achieved a new level of legal equality for all people regardless of sex, race and beliefs never before imagined by those that came before.

To those viewing the country from this new perspective they see possibilities that my generation and my parents' generation could not have dreamed including individual rights not governed by dogma but by the rule of law.

Now, as every generation ages, those in it become melancholy for their earlier years, a simpler time that they remember.

"Boy, the way Glen Miller played, songs that made the Hit Parade, guys like us we had it made, those were the days."

That opened one of the most socially influential TV shows of the past 60 years and it captured the attitude of many of the "Greatest Generation". That show laid bare all things that were out of date in their thoughts will making everyone laugh and think. Many of the topics of those shows are moot due to the impact of the show. I invite to watch the reruns to put this into perspective.

Times have changed and whether or not you as an individual like the changes is unfortunately insignificant.

Progress will occur with our without your input. In fact, the more you drag your feet the more ardent those seeking change become. This is not new. What is for certain is that if you are older that 45 you are irrelevant to today's new and developing society. So disagree all you want....

Gee that old LaSalle rang great...those were the days.

Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine

Certain? Have you looked at the age of most politicians?

You are irrelevant only if (a) you are determined to be so, and/or (b) you are determined to make no attempt whatsoever to understand changing society (as you pointed out in the rest of your post).

Cheers,

R.