I respectfully disagree
May 5, 2012 17:24:17 #
chienfou wrote:
"Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.
As proved many times in history it is difficult to follow a great and noble father (Such as Daddy bush) in life. Any similarities are purely a coincidence of history.... hummm or is it... did he have something to prove to mom? Alone with is mom for his childhood he has to prove himself to be a great warrior to his first love, mom. How many executions while Govenor of Texas? 131 total! Oh, Shakespeare, Tolstoy, where are you when we need you to tell the tail.
Caligula (kulig'yoolu) [key], A.D. 12A.D. 41, Roman emperor (A.D. 37A.D. 41); son of Germanicus Caesar and Agrippina the Elder. His real name was Caius Caesar Germanicus. As a small child, he wore military boots, whence his nickname [caligula=little boot]. On the death of Tiberius the army helped make Caligula emperor. Shortly afterward he became severely ill; it is widely believed that he was thereafter insane. He earned a reputation for ruthless and cruel autocracy, and torture and execution became the order of the day. This from:
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May 5, 2012 19:02:12 #
Ol' sarg, years and years ago, more than you can count on your fingers and toes, when I attended my very first VFW meeting, an old timer, from WWI took me aside and told me that I should never become engaged in a conversation with one of the always present braggards, because if they are encouraged, they will never shut up.
He told me that they are easy to identify because all they talk about is what they did and how long they were in the service. And the more they talk it seems that the braver they were and their careers streached from, maybe the Civil War, (which they personally won fof the Union) right up to Desert Storm, which they also personally won all by themselves.
So, as it seems that you are gearing up to tell us all about the great things you did in five (!?!) wars and how long it took you to do it, I shall depart and leave the field of honor to you and your oft told tales of valor.
He told me that they are easy to identify because all they talk about is what they did and how long they were in the service. And the more they talk it seems that the braver they were and their careers streached from, maybe the Civil War, (which they personally won fof the Union) right up to Desert Storm, which they also personally won all by themselves.
So, as it seems that you are gearing up to tell us all about the great things you did in five (!?!) wars and how long it took you to do it, I shall depart and leave the field of honor to you and your oft told tales of valor.
May 5, 2012 19:03:22 #
Ol' sarg, years and years ago, more than you can count on your fingers and toes, when I attended my very first VFW meeting, an old timer, from WWI took me aside and told me that I should never become engaged in a conversation with one of the always present braggards, because if they are encouraged, they will never shut up.
He told me that they are easy to identify because all they talk about is what they did and how long they were in the service. And the more they talk it seems that the braver they were and their careers streached from, maybe the Civil War, (which they personally won fof the Union) right up to Desert Storm, which they also personally won all by themselves.
So, as it seems that you are gearing up to tell us all about the great things you did in five (!?!) wars and how long it took you to do it, I shall depart and leave the field of honor to you and your oft told tales of valor.
He told me that they are easy to identify because all they talk about is what they did and how long they were in the service. And the more they talk it seems that the braver they were and their careers streached from, maybe the Civil War, (which they personally won fof the Union) right up to Desert Storm, which they also personally won all by themselves.
So, as it seems that you are gearing up to tell us all about the great things you did in five (!?!) wars and how long it took you to do it, I shall depart and leave the field of honor to you and your oft told tales of valor.
May 5, 2012 19:35:37 #
Let me see, we have Left-Wingers, Right-Wingers and quite a flap going here... by now we should be flying!!!
May 5, 2012 20:09:57 #
Pepper wrote:
The following is an excerpt from a speech a dear f... (show quote)
It is comforting to know that you tried to fight for the rights of other people, but the objectives of wars are not determined by rank and file soldiers. The policy makers had no freedom to protect in our last N wars. They were all for their own material aggrandizement, as well as that of their plutocratic friends.
As a matter of fact, even as you and others thought you were fighting to protect rights, the government reduced them instead of expanding them while the wars were fought. During our last few rounds of militarism the government passed the PATRIOT Act, which makes shambles of the Bill go Rights. Bush II and his allies banned free speech protests to "Free Speech Zones," which are dozens of miles away from the event they protest and from any media that might cover the protest. In 2010 the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional for the government to restrict in any way "corporate persons" could invest money for poetical purposes. That meant henceforth, even more than in the recent past, the influence of money will supervene over the will of the people. The Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a private citizen does not have the right to resist an "unlawful" entry by the police.
The US is always fighting yet another war for freedom, even as it reduces rights around the world and at home. The government always frames each of its nauseatingly frequent wars as a battle for freedom of some sort, but the greater the militarism, the more it destroys rights at home and abroad. Woodrow Wilson articulated this quite well, when he pointed out that democracy in Latin America was far too important to leave up to the Latin Americans.
We all appreciate your noble intention to fight for our freedom, but that is not what you did. You risked your life for the unlimited avarice of the American military/industrial/political plutocracy. The only freedom any of us will have left before long is the freedom to choose between Bush and Bushlite in November every fourth year.
May 5, 2012 21:32:36 #
PNagy said: The only freedom any of us will have left before long is the freedom to choose between Bush and Bushlite in November every fourth year.
How true your total statement. Regarding that which I have quoted ..... The Republican Governors of many states are restricting voting registration and other voting rights. Part of a plan for a long slow coup... and they young of today will never realize it was any different,,, and it will not be in their future. Once lost with the state of the modern servelence world, and state amerment it will never be regained.
How true your total statement. Regarding that which I have quoted ..... The Republican Governors of many states are restricting voting registration and other voting rights. Part of a plan for a long slow coup... and they young of today will never realize it was any different,,, and it will not be in their future. Once lost with the state of the modern servelence world, and state amerment it will never be regained.
May 5, 2012 22:14:44 #
dpullum wrote:
Strange how todays ultra-conservatives are really ... (show quote)
Companies are created by law as pseudo people for tax purposes.
You should get some education or stop misrepresenting the facts. I think it is the latter you misrepresent for political reasons.
May 6, 2012 01:37:02 #
Crooks on both sides, once in office they find ways to stick it to us. I hope not but I think The big O will get back in. He wants to put a 1% tax on all bank transactions. When it goes in and again when it comes out. And thats is everybody.All ss checks will have to be direct deposit. All your pension checks. When you take money out to live on or buy a car or home improvments. Or to pay your monthly phone bill, electric bill, Ins bill Hosp bill. Wise up people These guys can hide in the shadow of a cork screw. We need to take our country back.
May 6, 2012 03:15:13 #
johnr9999
Loc: Carlton, OR
chienfou wrote:
"The difference in George W. and his father was combat. George senior told his generals what he wanted and left them alone. He was very reluctant to get into war."
Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.
Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.
That is essentially what I said. George W had no experience of war so he had no compunctions about sending troops into combat. Johnson was a worse example of the same syndrome.
May 6, 2012 03:22:49 #
johnr9999 wrote:
That is essentially what I said. George W had no experience of war so he had no compunctions about sending troops into combat. Johnson was a worse example of the same syndrome.
chienfou wrote:
"The difference in George W. and his father was combat. George senior told his generals what he wanted and left them alone. He was very reluctant to get into war."
Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.
Actually the difference is Little boy george was EAGER for war. So Eager he CREATED reasons to go into IRAQ.
That is essentially what I said. George W had no experience of war so he had no compunctions about sending troops into combat. Johnson was a worse example of the same syndrome.
And the congress and senate, Republicans and Democrats, voted for it as well as other countries. Also a warehouse full of yellow cake was found in Libya but who is talking about that? BTW oBummer could have ended the war the day he was sworn in.
May 6, 2012 04:38:20 #
Jackinthebox wrote:
Companies are created by law as pseudo people for tax purposes.
You should get some education or stop misrepresenting the facts. I think it is the latter you misrepresent for political reasons.
Companies are created by law as pseudo people for tax purposes.
You should get some education or stop misrepresenting the facts. I think it is the latter you misrepresent for political reasons.
-------------------- My reply to that accusation:
No, I have my facts straight. It is the not so supreme court that ruled companies to be people regarding political contributions. They over threw contribution laws established in 1907, 1990, and 2003 which restricted such blatant bribery. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/us/28donate.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june10/supremecourt_01-21.html
I am perfectly aware that companies are people for tax purposes, and live on after an owners death.. that was never an issue.
It is not I who distort the word people to be a company for political reasons. When the republicans want to keep tax low on people, they are talking about companies. They go further to say that taxing people who make big $$ stifles job formation. Here again is a distortion; generally it is not the individuals, rather it is the companies who create jobs and they are taxed as corporations ... various types, type S, C, perhaps more.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98240,00.html
In my opinion, giving big bucks to candidates, past a certain point is Bribery... and that sir is not the American-Way as I had it defined for me as a young man.
This was a Republican "Conservative court" being any thing but conservative of our voter rights. Obama warned of the negative consequences. a green light to a new stampede of special interest money in our politics."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-overturns-campaign-finance-limits-corporations/story?id=9269776
After you read these references, I await your reply.
May 6, 2012 05:30:15 #
dpullum wrote:
quote=Jackinthebox br Companies are created by l... (show quote)
So... you are perfectly aware that companies are people for tax purposes, so stop the political bull. Companies do not pay taxes, no matter how you look at it, they pass it on to the consumer as an expense. I believe that the USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and that is why we are sinking.
Communism did not work in the USSR nor anywhere else.
With due respect
May 6, 2012 05:57:23 #
[quote=Jackinthebox]
Communism's failure ( or that what we think of when the USSR is mentioned,) can not be attributed in any way shape or form to taxes..
dpullum wrote:
So... you are perfectly aware that companies are people for tax purposes, so stop the political bull. Companies do not pay taxes, no matter how you look at it, they pass it on to the consumer as an expense. I believe that the USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and that is why we are sinking.
Communism did not work in the USSR nor anywhere else.
With due respect
Jackinthebox wrote:
So... you are perfectly aware that companies are people for tax purposes, so stop the political bull. Companies do not pay taxes, no matter how you look at it, they pass it on to the consumer as an expense. I believe that the USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and that is why we are sinking.
Communism did not work in the USSR nor anywhere else.
With due respect
Communism's failure ( or that what we think of when the USSR is mentioned,) can not be attributed in any way shape or form to taxes..
May 6, 2012 06:16:49 #
Jackinbox, it appears you did not allow yourself to see the difference between declaring companies as pseudo people for continuation of the company and the latest change which allows unlimited bribery of political officials.
Secondly you chose to link my statements with "communism" which is a Carl Rove trick to imply that the other person is communist... to quote Edward R Murrow, "Have you no sense of decency."
It appears you are intent on party line talk rather than observation of trends in our country.
Regarding Tax, Japan has a higher tax rate, we are just a bit lower, so, in that statement you are for practical purposes correct. But there are special loop holes and pay offs .. example Oil Companies. Then again, I was referring to tax of individuals once they take profits from the companies... as in someone owning a company which creates jobs and the individual who buys or hordes things with the money they get from ownership. Open you eyes, this is not a foot ball game,, you do not have to destroy the country to claim you are a Republican-Ultra-Conservative... it Ain't my Grandpa's Republicans.
TAX REF: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/feb/21/corporation-tax-rates-world#data
Secondly you chose to link my statements with "communism" which is a Carl Rove trick to imply that the other person is communist... to quote Edward R Murrow, "Have you no sense of decency."
It appears you are intent on party line talk rather than observation of trends in our country.
Regarding Tax, Japan has a higher tax rate, we are just a bit lower, so, in that statement you are for practical purposes correct. But there are special loop holes and pay offs .. example Oil Companies. Then again, I was referring to tax of individuals once they take profits from the companies... as in someone owning a company which creates jobs and the individual who buys or hordes things with the money they get from ownership. Open you eyes, this is not a foot ball game,, you do not have to destroy the country to claim you are a Republican-Ultra-Conservative... it Ain't my Grandpa's Republicans.
TAX REF: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/feb/21/corporation-tax-rates-world#data
May 6, 2012 06:37:05 #
dpullum wrote:
Jackinbox, it appears you did not allow yourself t... (show quote)
I agree that we have a big problem with unlimited bribery of political officials.
That is bad on both sides of the fence. Only one solution or 2. Term limits and severe and I mean severe punishment for reps enriching themself while in the congress or the senate. A person once elected, or even before should be a financially open book and no richer when leaving office than when they came in. The problem is on both sides and making the country communist is not a good solution.
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