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Feb 15, 2024 13:59:18   #
Longshadow wrote:
Google the phone number before you call it.....
10 to 1 it was recycled toll free or hokey.

If one never did business with them prior, how would they charge your "account"? They never say which one.
How can they something "renew" if you never had it before?
Established companies never send email from Gmail.
If you can, check the header information for where it originated, they're mostly from servers outside of the USA.

The first time this occurred years ago I checked our cards, NOTHING... I just started marking them as spam.

THINK before you react!!!
Google the phone number before you call it..... br... (show quote)


I guess my attempt at humor and sarcasm fell well short of the target.
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Feb 14, 2024 22:56:26   #
Bridges wrote:
Everyone is saying scam, but maybe not. Did you at any time in the last year seek advice for a computer problem? You may have thought you were getting free advice or a one-time service payment of say 19.99. Somewhere in your dealings with the company, you checked a box that said you agreed to their terms without reading what those terms were. The terms were that you would be billed at the normal yearly rate for the following year. I've had this happen a couple of times and have been refunded on all but one occasion.

A company had a special for hosting a website for 29.99. A year later they sent me a notice that my hosting fee went through for 99.99. I had never set the website up and did not plan to continue. When I contacted the company they cancelled the account but only at the end of a year and there was no refund for the paid year. There are a lot of companies out there that will pull this auto-billing scheme and while it is not illegal, it is unethical. I never agree to terms unless I read through them now and always make sure the auto-renewal is turned off. I make a copy of this and keep it because there have been cases where an overzealous salesperson signs up people to collect a commission.

On the other hand, it could simply be a scam!
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The phone number is there. Give them a call and report back. Seriously. I double dog dare you. šŸ˜‹
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Feb 14, 2024 16:02:12   #
Gilkar wrote:
I LOVED IT. But I am a big fan of revenge


Me too. Worth every cent of my friends rental fee on Netflix. šŸ˜Ž
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Feb 14, 2024 15:54:06   #
Gilkar wrote:
Call Jason Straham, a Beekeeper, he'll make sure it doesn't happen again.


Yes, by pulling your lungs out of your chestā€¦.through your left nostril. Have you seen the movie? What did you think if you did see it.
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Feb 14, 2024 15:20:20   #
People get all excited because former president Trump demands the nato members pay at least partially for the cost of their defense
People get all excited because current president says ā€œhkdbirhxuhb.ā€
Go figure.
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Feb 14, 2024 14:30:13   #
Watched ā€œThe Bee Keeperā€ last night. The movie starts out with scammers who empty the entire life savings of a retired woman, a friend of Jason Stratham, a beekeeper. If you are violence averse you will hate it but if you know Jasonā€™s work you know what to expect and may find it exciting. Even my wife who hates violence in films liked it.
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Feb 14, 2024 13:43:57   #
home brewer wrote:
Clark
The volunteer survey was in an investing forum that generally has useful information and as I later said it had very strange groups and was very unscientific.

Talking to friends at the gym I attend that is mainly made up of powerlifters, body builders, runners and very fit people who own small business, work assembling trucks, selling medium duty trucks to furniture tell me to the margin of expenses to income has gone down. The bright spot is a 24 year who sales $100 to $300 K houses who had a Million in sales in January. People are being told company sales are down. Hours are being reduced. These people are not happy with economy.
Clark br The volunteer survey was in an investing ... (show quote)


I would assume the interest rate for home loans has a negative impact on the housing. My grandson bought a house two years ago but couldnā€™t make the payments if he bought it today. Our housing prices are bargains compared to the east side of Washington and even here $300k buys a modest tract house, 100 k would be nearly uninhabitable. It is said that the economy is bad if you feel the economy is bad. Most ( more than half) people feel itā€™s bad right now.
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Feb 14, 2024 02:55:43   #
bikinkawboy wrote:
Ha! We never played cards so weā€™d use strips of a disposable tin pie pan. It was good and loud!


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Feb 13, 2024 20:09:53   #
Why didnā€™t you use it? It is a spectacular piece of mechanical technology. If I had the$$$.
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Feb 13, 2024 15:46:08   #
Longshadow wrote:
One can prove anything with statistics.
It simply depends on how they are presented.


Lies, damned lies and statistics is an age old axiom. P.S. Look at the stock market today if you want your day ruined.
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Feb 13, 2024 15:42:43   #
Peteso wrote:
My concern is this sounds like speculation. I will return to something similar to my last question. If the gray market cameras are equivalent to their mainstream brand names, then why are/were they made? This last post suggests that they are even made on the same assembly line. Absent a reliable explanation, this makes no sense to me. Perhaps more importantly, getting back to some of the original questions, why would somebody want to buy a gray market camera if they can get the ā€œrealā€ thing, all other things being equal? I am not asking these questions for opinions, rationale, or speculation. I have been involved in UHH long enough to know that we may have participants that actually have the answers that make sense.
My concern is this sounds like speculation. I wil... (show quote)

The decision by Nikon USA is a business decision. The business makes its income by selling you a camera. If somebody else sells you the camera they donā€™t get the income. In order to protect their income they have a carrot/stick proposition. Buy from us and we offer a warranty as the carrot. Buy from an overseas supplier our stick is that you have to send it overseas to fix it. Remember when you bought your camera and had to decide which language to utilize? If the USA models were different than offshore you wouldnā€™t need that. If you can show me an example of differences other than model naming I will be shocked.
So why are grey market cheaper? A number of reason like exchange rates, volume discounts, lower profit margin expectations. I bought my Canon F-1 in the early 70ā€™s from Universal Suppliers in Hong Kong. Paid a little less than US model but at that time a few $$ made a difference. If memory serves it was about $411.00 with shipping for a Pro grade 35mm SLR and 50mm f:1.8. All mechanical and tough as a tank. Not much to break. Now a semi pro grade camera with lens is north of $4,000 and while very robust there is a lot that can go wrong. The warranty is very valuable now and only the buyer can decide if the risk of buying gray market non US warranty vs warranty with a little extra in the price, is worth the peace of mind.
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Feb 13, 2024 15:03:41   #
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
Me thinks you're starting to tap dance around my point that when hate crime (the point of this post) is mentioned, the first thing that springs to mind (for most of us) is that black people are the target of the crime. They are the protected class that is the most commonly cited. Affirmative Action is a classic example of how certain classes are selected for special treatment and there is no law that specifies this, because it's not a legal construct, it's a policy decision. And policy decisions are, by their very nature, political. Political considerations should not be encoded into law. So my basic question is who decides which classes are protected and which ones are not.
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RCW 9A.36.080. Class C felony. I suppose I should have cited it rather than try to explain by analogy. I do understand your point. Section 2927.12 of the Ohio Revised Code is the cite for your state. Both jurisdictions have a legislative body, elected by vote of the people. They studied a perceived problem and wrote a law, probably after robust debate.
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Feb 13, 2024 14:41:20   #
cyclespeed wrote:
I was a member of the Royal Canadian Navy in the 1970's. While serving on shore patrol we came across 5 US Navy types beyond drunk. They were displaying forms of debauchery on the side streets of staid old Victoria British Columbia.
We gave them choices.
They were not in favour of arrest either by us or their country's equivalent so they took door # 3 so to speak.
We got 5 taxis, found out the fare to get back to their ship, got that amount from each plus a handsome tip, paid the driver and placed each one in a separate cab.
A couple of days go by and we get called to our captain's quarters, he lets us read a secure message from the US captain expressing his sincere apology on the 5's behalf and $125 US to use for a good meal next time we were on shore leave.
Can you guess who paid up on the $125?
I guess those 5 didn't get the ,message referenced as to members acting as ambassadors when in a foreign country.
I was a member of the Royal Canadian Navy in the 1... (show quote)

You should have slapped them silly before you put them in the cabs.
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Feb 13, 2024 14:29:29   #
dbrugger25 wrote:
Are you implying that a seller would lie about the origin of photography equipment? YES. SOME WOULD. Or they would just "forget to mention there is no warranty".

I would rather pay more and buy from a highly reputable retailer than take a chance with a second tier source. Photo gear is complex and intricate and highly technical. Why take chances? When you buy any product from a reliable source, part of what you pay for is the assurance that, if anything is defective, the dealer and the manufacturer will repair or replace it for a specified period of time.
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The subject of the post was about buying a medium format TLR. they are no longer produced new as far as I know. Everything Iā€™ve read would indicate the new gray market cameras are the same as USA models but that some distributors (eg; Nikon USA) wonā€™t repair cameras that they didnā€™t import. Iā€™ve never seen anything that indicates the non US models are different in any functional way. Iā€™m pretty sure that they donā€™t have 1 assembly line for US models and one for the rest of the world. Please correct me if Iā€™m wrong.
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Feb 13, 2024 14:11:08   #
After talking with a friend who teaches statistics and economics to college kids I am firmly in the ā€œI donā€™t trust the government inflation figures.ā€ Itā€™s a shelll game.
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