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Jan 26, 2019 20:12:32   #
I could have used my 5dmkiv and an L lens and be weather sealed but didn't want to risk mud, banging around or scratching my glass with tiny mud particles.
I have 2 Gopros, 2 Fuji XPs but they don't take great pics.
Even in linear mode maxed on the GoPro the photos are not great (but they are good :-)
And I bought the GoPro6 over the TG5 after my son pressured me (small regret on this one).

However the photo from the 70D with my Sigma 50mm gave me the IQ I was looking for. And would do it again....just a need a better weather solution.

The tip on the EW bag led me to a dicapac wps10 underwater bag for 70us at BH Photo. Ew bags are ~ 400 !! I wont be using this underwater, just looking for some splash and dirt resistance. I am ok if the seals are imperfect.

Going to Hawaii in March and will be Kayaking to waterfalls and Zodiacing for whales....with the dicapac, I can shoot while the boat is moving. When it stops assuming it's not raining, I may even change a lens OR I could bring the 5Dmkiv with a 70-200 and out it in a drybag to pull out when we stop.

Shooting a breaching humpback on a TG5 or a gopro wont cut it. I will risk the 70D and some good lenses.

Thanks to all for your responses.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:18:14   #
GilFrey1 wrote:
Lost a day’s shooting. When I downloaded the card, all shots were grossly underexposed. No warning, worked fine the day before. Thought it might be a failed card. Substituded a know good card. Test frames were underexposed. Recharged the batteries (use the grip, so two). Same problem. Changed lens, same problem. Had been using the P mode so tried the others including manual modes, same problem.

Have used this 70D for years (got it when it first came out) always reliable. If it really needs to be replaced or repaired will probably go to the 90D which is due for release in near future and repair 70D and pass it on to grandson.

Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking?

Thanks,

GilFrey
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Wow. Sorry to hear that.
Assume you were shooting Auto mode?
If not, probably need more info on your settings and situation.

There are settings in the camera that will for sure cause this in modes other than Auto.
If you were shooting full Auto, then the photos should not be "grossly underexposed" unless the underexposed feeling is related to your targeted subjects for the photo being in the foreground with a very bright background. The camera will always do a poor job on Auto in these situations.
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Jan 26, 2019 07:11:49   #
fourg1b2006 wrote:
I probably would not have taken my good camera with me on this trip. I would have bought a p&s Kodak that they use at weddings.


Thanks for the idea. Good low cost solution to catch snaps of the event however
I had my GoPro hero6 for that...
...and a disposable P&S would be a PoS for getting a photo I would ever want to print or put in a photo book :-)

Spent $ 10k+ on the trip. I will risk 1.5k if gear to get the once in a fam lifetime shot that could wind up in the wall :-)
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Jan 26, 2019 06:57:34   #
burkphoto wrote:
Size...

https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2016/01/camera-sensor-size.html

Each of the larger formats from Micro 4/3 to medium format digital has a role to play in the photographic universe. None is intrinsically better at everything than another one. They, and all the cameras that use them, each have their niche markets.

Life is full of little trade-offs. You learn to maximize what you need and minimize what you don't. Sometimes, less is more. Sometimes, more is more. Sometimes, less is less...

The sweet spot for price vs performance is often APS-C, simply because it's the best-selling category.

The sweet spot for portability with decent performance is Micro 4/3, because a SYSTEM of body and several lenses saves 2/3 to 3/4 the weight over a full frame system. But you give up two stops of ISO in dim light...

The sweet spot for image technical quality is full frame. The lenses suck in twice as much light as APS-C, and four times as much light as Micro 4/3. So noise is less intrusive at high ISOs. But full frame gear can cost a LOT more than APS-C or Micro 4/3. And it can weigh a lot more, and take up more space.

You have to take a look at what YOU photograph, or want to photograph, and then find the best compromise for that subject matter that also meets your budget constraints.
Size... br br https://theonlinephotographer.type... (show quote)


Nicely done. I was going to respond but no need. Books are written on the topic. This is an efficient primer :-)
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Jan 26, 2019 06:53:22   #
What tools, processes and tricks do you use to protect your best gear in nasty environments?

Background for question:
I recently took the Fam to Dominican Republic and we all went dirt buggying in the rainforest. I wanted some high end shots and with the variable light from being under the canopy to the beach, I brought 2 pieces of my gear that I could afford to lose (ie I dont ues them for paid work). My Canon70D and the Sigma 50mm1.4Art.

I protected the kit in 2 levels of plastic bags and took the kit out for pics during stops. It rained quite a bit during the photo ops so putting the kit back in the bag was like locking the fox in the chickenhouse.

In the end, I had dirt and moisture in the bag, LCD and top buttons on the 70D quit working (still able to take photos). All features returned to functioning again except cant download from the camera (use SD card reader so no issue).....and I am still digging dirt out of my ears. The excursion was a little like swimming through a mud puddle.

Attached is one of the photos.

Comments related to "tech", "process to protect" and any tricks/tips would be appreciated....


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Jan 26, 2019 06:41:59   #
whlsdn wrote:
I know, asking for opinions is different from asking for facts, but I've enjoyed the knowledge and perspectives shared on this board, so I'm hoping a few folks will pitch in with opinions. Well, other than, "Gee, that's not even a very smart question."

Background: I currently possess 2 crop sensor cameras:

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX85 with 3 lenses:
Lumix G X VARIO 1:2.8/35-100 POWER O.I.S.,
LUMIX G VARIO 1:4.0-5.6/100-300, and
kit G VARIO 1:3.5-5.6/ ASPH. MEGA O.I.S.12-32mm (.02m/0.66ft-infinity)
(all purchased new a few years ago from Mikes Camera in Boulder, CO).

Canon EOS 60D with 2 lenses:
Tamron SP AF ASPHERICAL XR Di LD (IF) 28-75mm 1:2.8 MACRO (camera and lens bought inexpensively used in separate transactions locally) and
(freshly received from KEH) a nice used Canon 55-250mm F/4-5.6 IS II.
Camera inspected, cleaned, & adjusted by Key Camera in Longmont, CO - rated "nice".

Interestingly, I've learned that the crop factor on the Canon appears to be an industry-odd 1.6, most other brands being 1.5, but the Lumix (like Olympus) is even more extreme at 2.0. I think I'd like one of my two cameras - not really being able to make a case to own three - to be a full-frame camera. While I have well over $2k invested in the Lumix kit, I have only a few hundred in my old Canon stuff, so my obvious choice for replacement is the 60D.

Here's the question: IS THIS A GOOD MOVE? I have a chance to buy a professional's back-up Canon 5D Mark II with low shutter count for $600, and I would try to sell my 60D.

I'm enjoying the 60D. Purchased a manual for it. The 2 lenses are fine for this learning stage, though I'd need to add a nice wide prime before long, I think. But the flexibility of a full-frame, some greater potential in image quality and in landscape scope ...these things tease me toward trying the 5D, even if it is an out-dated one (though hardly more so than a 60D, I guess).

If I'm going to make the move, maybe now is the time before I invest in more EF-S lenses. What I have, I imagine I can sell. The Tamron, I think, should work on the 5D. He has a 24-70mm f2.8 L USM available too, but I don't think I can afford the price of both camera and lens at once. (Is $650 good for a properly used specimen? It's much bigger and heavier than the Tamron. And it didn't totally kill the Tamron in a head-to-head by Bryan Carnathan https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-28-75mm-f-2.8-XR-Di-Lens-Review.aspx)

Sorry. Looong question. Any kindly opinion is welcome. A silent chuckle is OK too.
I know, asking for opinions is different from aski... (show quote)


Go full frame. Life changing experience...lol.
Seriously, in general, crop factor applies not only to FOV but also subject isolation. (Tony Northrup has some interesting videos on this)

Low light performance (generally, and especially in older models) is significantly better in a full frame for equivalent pixels etc.
(Recent crop tech is pretty amazing but also $$$)

You will notice a big difference right out of the camera when you go full frame.

In terms of decisions,
Keep the Gx85++ (longer effective reach/higher Fps/good video etc) sell the 60D++.

For pure photography in full frame....
Pro's backup camera may be a good choice but look at old 6Ds, they may even be cheaper and have actually better IQ than the 5Dmkii. (Not as well built - pro will go with 5D for ruggedness). Buy the 50mm 1.8 (nifty fifty). It is probably the best value in all cameradom and you will notice the difference straight away.
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Jan 26, 2019 06:13:00   #
Wow. Sounds like the business model is shifting. Need to change the marketing tactic (ie offer to pay the hotel penalty as a discount OR increase the service (time) or deliverables etc to compete. If you understand the changing nature of the market, you can either adapt or die.

I shot 2 weddings in 1 week in Jamaica. (Brother and sister had their weddings same week). Hotel offered a pro photog as part of the deal. They do a decent job as they know the facility etc. However, they could not even come close to competing on total value. I was there for the week and did candids all week. "Photog on call". The most tear jerking photos were not the ones from the wedding. They paid 5x more for me than the local and still got the better value.
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Jan 26, 2019 06:05:07   #
Cameraman wrote:
Hi:

It depends on whether you plan on photographing 2 separate places or scenes or people groups in different light conditions and do not want to change the lens.

When I am shooting an event, I use my 24-105 lens on my Canon 5D MIII and also take my second Mark III attached to either a 50 mm lens or a 70-200 mm lens depending on the event.

I am mortally scared of changing the lens in a hurry at an event at the risk of dropping the lens or the camera or taking too much time (>5 seconds!) and miss the photo.

Like I said, if you are doing a product photo or a landscape photo, you may have enough time to change the lens and could carry only one camera.

Cameraman
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Ditto. It's not always about the camera it's about the lens availability....and whether you feel ok slapping an 18-400 lens with the associated variability of sharpness and lowlight capability vs situation specific lenses available "drawing from the holster".

Weddings - 2 cameras on my body at all times and 1 camera with lens on it in the bag next to me.
Casual - usually 1 camera with the 70-200 OR the 35mmF1.4 on it and wishing I had the other lens mounted about every 3rd opportunity:-)
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Jan 20, 2019 09:12:00   #
julian.gang wrote:
Is having more than one camera for different purposes a good idea?...Julian


Every piece of equipment should have a purpose whether it is technical capability,environmental capability, backup, flexibility etc

My justifications (to my wife in the event of a GAS attack).

5Dmk4 - all purpose - do everything pretty well
70D - 5dMkiv can handle everything this does except has flippy screen for vlogging. WHY KEEP IT : will use it in risky situations where I want a high quality photo but if it gets destroyed I dont care (mud-buggyng in Dominican Republic is an example) .
6D - backup in caseone of the 5D's fail during a wedding.
5dmkiii - holds 2nd lens so I can shoot on the fly with 2 lenses
GOPRO Hero black 3 and 6. - POV video for jet skiing and cliff jumping etc
All my lenses (confession: after several years, I could now do without about 1/3 of them as I rarely reach for them).
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Jan 12, 2019 15:01:45   #
Really hope they come out with one with dual-card slot (for paid work) and more FPS.
If there were 2 slots and 7-8FPS while continuous AF is on, I would have bit.
It does sound like a good unit for a first attempt from Canon into FF mirrorless.
The RF mount and first lenses offered by Canon (and solid compatibility with EF lenses through the convertor(s)) are the real differentiators in the long run and Canon is blowing away the competition in this regard with the 28-70F2.0 and the 50mmF1.2 which are both unparalled.

I guess I will need to wait until after they release the higher end version...
Glad to see you are getting results and like it. Lots of negativity from the media on EOS-R (except from those who have actually used it :-)
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Jan 12, 2019 14:49:18   #
Keep the 2.8 no matter what you do....
ISO performance from 7d to 7dii wont overcome the stop of light lost between the 2.8 and 4. imho.
(also the 2.8 will give you better background blur/seperation for more creative options)
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Jan 4, 2019 18:01:15   #
bkyser wrote:
Whitt, I'm going to "attack" this from a different perspective. From your experience with sports photography, and the other good points on lighting, (I agree, get at least one flash off camera on a stand, you can get pretty creative with it) I'll assume you'll be fine with lighting and operating the camera.

What I want to touch on is what will make your photos worthwhile, instead of just a bunch of random photos of a bunch of people.

I go over this with any apprentice or second shooter. One or 2 wide angle shots of the entire reception is all that is needed. Any more than that will just be thrown in the trash or never printed or put in an album/. What you need to do is first, before everyone arrives, get detail shots of the tables, decorations, the cake, etc. During the meal, go to each and every table, and have the people all move to one side of the table and pose for you. Nobody wants a wide angle photo of several guests looking away, or shoving food in their mouths. A great table shot with all the people looking at you smiling, is something that will be treasured. Walk around and get as many shots as you can of people laughing, or whispering in someone's ear, anything that shows how much fun people are having. The best part of this is that you all but guarantee that you will get a shot of 99% of every guest at the wedding reception. If you wander around the edge of the room, just trying to snipe a photo here and there, you will end up with a bunch of unflattering shots of people, and only because of luck and numbers, may end up with a possibly good shot for the album.

Talk to the event planner if there is one (usually not these days), or the DJ (in the event of no planner, the DJ will set the pace for the evening as far as what happens when. (at least a good one will.)

Obviously, know when to be where by what the planner or DJ tells you, and be prepared for all the events. The cutting of the cake, don't just walk up behind the crowd and try to grab your shots. Let the couple know that you will need to be front row center, and don't start without you there. Once there, you take charge, you tell them when to cut the cake when you have the correct position (it is only done once, you can't just hang out and "hope" you get the shot) Let them know that you will count down for them to cut the cake, and I normally will do several of this part, so you get the knife at the top of the cake, and the looks on their faces as the knife hits bottom (they always tend to instinctively look at each other and smile after the knife goes down) get the "sports action" shots of them feeding each other the cake, and hopefully not smashing it in each other's faces, but be prepared for it.

Do the same with the bouquet toss and garter toss. TAKE CHARGE, let them know that you need to be in position, and you will tell them when it's ready to go. If you can catch sports action, you can get good shots of the bouquet and garter ready to be tossed, in mid air, and people trying to catch(or in the case of the garter, men running away from) the toss.

On the "special" (first, or other) dances, get a full body shot of each dance, and a close up of the faces of each person's face doing the dance, mother of the groom, father of the groom, and the bride and groom. These often show great emotion. No need to take 10 shots of each dance unless something really stands out. It just means more culling later.

For games, like the "shoe game" or whatever. Just a few shots that show what is happening, and then if you can get some reaction shots of the guests laughing, or a close up of the bride or groom as long as they look like their having fun, is all you need.

On the speeches, please, as someone who does a LOT of these and a lot of culling, one shot of each person giving the speech, one shot that shows the expressions of the couple looking at who's giving the speech, hopefully laughing or wiping a tear is plenty for each speech. I've had to cull/edit weddings with tons of shots of each and every person giving speeches, and 50 angles of the head table. It just takes hours to go through all that. Handing the couple a disk of images like that is also overwhelming. They only want the ones worth printing, or putting in a book, not 50 expressions on the same person's face, people yawning, or people shoving food in their faces.

On the dance floor. Get the couple dancing with each other, and with other people. One or 2 shots of kids dancing, kids are always dancing is enough. Grab a wide shot or two of the whole dance floor, and a few of people that are having a particular amount of fun. Again, from experience working with inexperienced photographers, don't just concentrate on the pretty girls. Us old fat guys on the dance floor can provide some memorable photos as well. HAHA.

The main thing to take away is, you need to take control, and don't be afraid to say "excuse me" and step in front of someone to get the shot. If you are "hired" to be the photographer, you can't be timid. Don't be rude, but they want you to get the shots.

Finally, you notice I keep saying album. I would suggest that if they are just getting disks of images from the photographers from the ceremony and formals, why don't you put together a nice wedding album for them with all the photos, and present it to them as a wedding gift? My kids and grandkids look at my parent's wedding photos, and my wedding photos (both before today's nice albums, just photos put in slip in sheets) The albums are something that can sit on a coffee table for 50 years, and people will still enjoy getting them out and looking at them. If they are on a disk, in a drawer somewhere, nobody will enjoy them. An album is the best gift of all.

Just my 8 cents. (a lot more than the 2 cents, I had planned on typing)

bk
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Excellent guidance.
My 1 deviation would be not to worry about taking too many photos. You do not make a living from this so you should have hobby time to cull :-)
...having said that, I would caution that "taking too many" can distract you from getting the critical few. Make sure you know where and when you need to be and have pretested those
shots with your lighting setup. Your cameras should have a mode that allows you to save your settings so when the moment comes (Toss, cake etc), you flip the camera to the preset mode and you are ready.

I often have 4-5 speedlights on light stands in the corners/against walls and bounce off the ceiling (or use flash cards if high ceilings).

Receptions are fun. Less pressure than the ceremony as there are only 2-3 key "must get the shot" shots.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:45:56   #
BBF, Single point, always.
Tried other modes in certain situations. Missed a couple sports/wildlife shots due to not "hitting the target" but found I missed more shots using variations of multi-point AF. Single point is fast enough in action scenarios and the 5D4 center pt is excellent in low contrast, low light siutations....and with 2 BBF button programmability (AF-C - expanded single pt and AF-S -> Single pt). I can can cover everything I need.

...although I wish Canon had a Sony A7III version equivalent that had good eye-AF :-(
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Nov 6, 2018 13:24:58   #
throughrhettseyes wrote:
Shutter count is like miles on a used car. Cameras have a shutter count life of 75000 to 300000 depending on the quality of the shutter. Eventually a DSLR will break down. That is why you want to know what the shutter count is upon a purchase of a used DSLR.


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And dont buy used without it...
I recently bought a used 5Dmkiii as a 2nd camera to replace my single slot6D. Seller said it was primarily used for video and didn't know the shutter count. Camera was in great shape and I tested it...everything worked flawlessly. Got it home....198000 clicks. Pretty much bought a soon to be dead camera. $300-500 to replace the shutter. Bought it as a 2nd camera (needed dual slot to replace my single slot 6D for weddings). I rejected other offers at 35% less with shutter counts at 100000 only to buy one at 198000 for more money.

Now I have to decide to repair it or risk it failing mid-wedding. I won't lose the photos but may lose the camera for a few minutes until I can swap it out for another body.

I knew better. Should have followed through and demanded the shutter count.
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Oct 27, 2018 20:21:08   #
Canon 70-200 F4L is dirt cheap (even new) and very very good. Best value for the money and my first L lens. Fast AF and made of metal so can take a beating.
You MAY be able to crop @200mm on the L lens for the effective range of a cheap 70-300mm and get a better result. At 300mm, you will be shooting at F5.6 vs F4 so you will
have less light requiring you to bump the ISO (on APSC, the noise becomes noticeable at 1000iso and virtually unuseable as a print above 2400iso (for me).

The other lenses that will give you the same optical result of a cropped 200mmF4L at 300mm are more than $2k. A reasonably priced 300mmF5.6 is equivalent to 200mmF4 cropped in net IQ. At least that is my hypothesis. Just my opinion....perhaps someone has actually tested it....(I would defer to Linda's opinion on this...I can only speak for the F4L not the 70-300)

(the other option is to get the 150-600SigmaC (or 150-600 Tamron G2) but you mentioned you wanted sharpness so the F4L is still my bet.
I will say, the 150-600 lenses from Sigma/Tamron are awesome but may be too much reach on the short end at 150 vs the "50" of your 50-250 lens.
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