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Jul 24, 2022 13:10:20   #
ORpilot wrote:
Hey guys be nice.... Any class on photography is better than no class. You guys have no idea the state these kids are in (mental) after 2 years of being secluded with covid....If you think you can do better... then get off your butt and do it.


Thanks - Herbie seems confused - He is struggling choosing his daily gender I guess. But, he is teaching me about cropping so I'm blessed. In any event, these young guys/students are considered "at risk" ie future gangstas of America. Living in and around "the projects" with heavy gang activity, their odds of productive lives are minimal. So, I spent time letting them shoot some pics. The program was run thru a church and I took a portrait of each student, printed and framed an 8x10, to be given at "their art show". Sadly, I'm at the show......NOT one family member for any of them shows up to view their work. Frankly, much of their work was far superior to the photography I've seen posted by certain members here - typically the arrogant ones who hate composition. LOL! Here's a pic of two students. Apparently gangs use hand signals.


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Jul 24, 2022 11:43:31   #
SalvageDiver wrote:
Yes, there is 3) frame-in-frame, with he water spouts providing the frame. 4) layered, with the center deck splitting the image.

Additionally, this has two stories going on at the same time. The boy playing on the upper deck and the girls playing on the lower deck. This is something one seee’s in paintings of the old masters. Various stories occurring in a scene separated by darkened areas.

This is a very good image, compositionally, to think about and anayze.

BTW, I think you posting images and initiating discussion about composition is an excellent idea. It gets back to the art of photography rather than old discussions about gear and software. This is a refreshing subject material. Keep it up, please!
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Thanks for the kind words! I'm so done with mirrorless/dslr debates etc. Just tools. Horizontal above girls, 1/3 up. I also debated on more range of contrast ie zone system but I thought there was enough. It was a lucky capture as I was shooting other students playing in the fountains - see image. I just changed my perspective/view


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Jul 24, 2022 11:32:27   #
ORpilot wrote:
I also teach a photography youth camp this summer... Thirds, plus verticals or horizontals. No diagonals? Don't forget shots breaking the rules.


Take another look - tons of geometric shapes to include squares, rectangles, triangles.
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Jul 23, 2022 19:18:44   #
JD750 wrote:
Golden points 2, 4, frame in a frame, leading lines.


Excellent!!!!!!
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Jul 23, 2022 18:08:41   #
joecichjr wrote:
A superb composition, so interesting for the eyes 🖤🖤👑🖤🖤


Thank's Joe
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Jul 23, 2022 18:04:15   #
Rongnongno wrote:
From the initial thread...



No wonder folks react negatively. You are a bit obnoxious now. Three successive posts on the subject?

The real goal is to get folks to look at your stuff?


I intend to remain obnoxious buttercup! Didn't know you were a member of "the post police". I saw some of your work.......omg LOL! Sophomoric at best. At least you can count (not sure how far). BTW, I assume you have nothing of value to add...AGAIN! I do have a recommendation for you.....Kaopectate - yep, it helps with diarrhea of the mouth. I would suggest the child's dosage initially. If that doesn't work, you can increase it to "the big boy" dose.
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Jul 23, 2022 12:13:54   #
Teaching a class to "under privileged youth", I got lucky with this image. There are multiple elements/rules of composition. Can you name any? Other than the two I mentioned. Taken with a Nikon 50 1.8g, D750, pp in Lightroom.


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Jul 23, 2022 11:55:18   #
Burkley wrote:
Also, some food for thought. The rule of thirds makes perfect sense as a point of physiology. I treat people with balance disorders: vertigo and imbalance. How we use our eyes to look at the world is hard wired. About 1 /4 of our brain, the cerebellum, has no other function but to integrate information from our ear, eyes and from the tug of gravity on our body so that we can stay upright and function normally in space. Significant amounts of our brain besides the cerebellum are also dedicated to our balance system. Our perception of the horizon is a major part of our balance system. We naturally divide the horizon roughly into thirds, foreground, mid ground and distant. The rule of thirds is part of the hard wired balance system that allows us to walk upright, as well as part of the balance system for most vertebrates.

For people with balance problems, if you take that visual perspective away, such as in the dark or going from Sun to shade or when entering a long hallway, the sense of imbalance can be overwhelming. As upright animals, the prime intent of our eye movement is to provide information to our balance system so that we can maintain our upright position, walk, track objects, and rapidly perceive danger requiring us to move quickly. Given that we are hard wired to look at the world in thirds, the rule of thirds in photography is not surprising.
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I never knew that. I do know a gal in her 60's who suffers from severe vertigo. It's horribly dibilitating.
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Jul 23, 2022 11:14:45   #
jlg1000 wrote:
I personally don't see them as "rules", just useful guidelines. When following them, it's more easy to get a good composition... The zillion of people taking snapshots with phones, don't know a thing about them and create 99.999% of... crappy snapshots (just look Instagram)

By knowing the composition rules and other techniques, a photographer can turn snapshot taking in a craft or art.

The same happens to carpentry, blacksmithing, and other trades/crafts/arts.


Correct - like any skilled trade, learning the "finer aspects" gives you an advantage with the end product. Again, just a tool but......."A poor workman always blames his tools". If all I did was shoot humming birds, maybe rule of thirds or any approach to composition wouldn't enter into the equation as much. However, the bowl of sugar water 30 ft from my window, with multiple birds ie "rule of odds" might make an interesting composition. Then, rule of thirds would potentially enhance. As I mentioned in an earlier post - "ignorance is bliss".
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Jul 22, 2022 21:28:36   #
pendennis wrote:
My professor was a well-regarded local photographer in her own right.

What I took away from her point, was not to get locked in to any particular rule. The rule of thirds does apply sometimes, but as with any artistic endeavor, one needed to have their eyes wide open, looking for that moment or vision.

PS - I was always struck by Stieglitz's "The Steerage". It seemed to break a number of rules, and is still a phenomenal photo.


Did you finish her class? Did she teach anything beyond her opinion of artistic freedom? I shoot weddings, capturing moments is not something new to me LOL!! Just make sure you know what you're doing so you don't miss important shots. PS - I'm familiar with the Steerage image. Guess what - he didn't break any rules LOL!!! He did incorporate a few. I guess you need to understand them to better appreciate composition LOL!!.......The Steerage is not only about the “significant form” of shapes, forms and textures, but it also conveys a message about its subjects, immigrants who were rejected at Ellis Island, or who were returning to their old country to see relatives and perhaps to encourage others to return to the United States with them. OK? it's called shapes, forms, textures. Beyond that, and I assume - wait, no assumption, Ansel Adam's zone system????? I noticed a great range of zones. If you get a chance - research the image......the social commentary documented by the capture.
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Jul 22, 2022 19:59:44   #
Thanks to everyone who responded. Would have been nice to see more pics from people but then again, I didn't expect it. What was a humerous highlight was reading the responses from many who seem to virtually hate rules. Woke, undisciplined but full of piss and vinegar as respects their creative capabilities. One, I think a "Dusty or Rusty" or close to it. He seemed somewhat eccentric based on his responses. Ironically, I was able to view some of his work. OMG!!!! A close up of "Kermit" the frog!!!!!. Cute little frog sticking it's head out from the water. Then, a few centered bird shots. It all became crystal clear!!!!! No need for composition. Buy the camera, buy the zoom, point and shoot and viola!! A picture, beyond boring but damned if that photographer needs to be restricted by some doggone rule of compostion LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 22, 2022 19:34:53   #
paulrph1 wrote:
But I was referring what I would call normal picture and you come up with some off the wall stuff that very few delve into. And in reference to your statement it would also apply to crimes like murder. I don't believe any would look that those and apply the rules of composition. There are exceptions to every rule. I know it would never enter my mind.
If you are referring to a person who is shooting an ad for food product, restaurant etc. I believe they would follow those rules or their products would not sale. There are many forms to the rule of thirds.
In my estimation the rule of thirds to apply beauty and make a person at ease. it is by not means to expose the starkness of any situation as you describe.
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Sorry if my response exceeded your level of understanding. Your estimation means very little. Some rules can't and shouldn't be broken. Make yourself a committee of one and think about it. Stop the 420 for a while and see if that helps!
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Jul 22, 2022 19:26:47   #
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Nice photos.

Undoubtedly the posters of ill comments were trying to send the message that you are not woke and you are being cancelled for BEING disciplined. After all, isn't that what it is all about in the end? Riot, burn, destroy, celebrate the tearing down of society as opposed to being creative and capturing history and moments of time both good and bad?


Exactly! Well said.
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Jul 22, 2022 14:31:15   #
Curmudgeon wrote:
Beautiful set, I really like the make-up shot.


Thx - there is also "the rule of odds", use of geometric shapes ie Triangles. 3 different compositional approaches combined.
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Jul 22, 2022 13:37:17   #
If you go into Lightroom and choose to crop, you will see the "thirds" tic-tac-toe overlay (this can be changed to other overlays easily). I came to realize there must be thousands (if not more) of ways to apply this approach as you crop/change format etc. Restrictive is not what comes to mind but to each his/her own. A few more


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