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Aug 22, 2014 10:35:46   #
PNagy wrote:
rpavich: "proof" or lack thereof is in the eyes of the evaluator and since we both (Christians and non-christians) have that same "evidence" as outlined in the video, we both will interpret what is said based on our own predetermined position...our "presuppositions" if you will.

Nagy: That holds true only if one rejects a proven system for finding truth; the scientific method. The scientific method is self-correcting, honest, and without a built-in agenda. It uncovers the truth about nature incrementally, each advance going beyond previous ones. The other alternative is faith, which is acceptance of some source's utterances without any proof at all, and even against vast volumes of disproof. Faith allows one to believe in anything anyone can postulate, not matter how stupid.
rpavich: "proof" or lack thereof is in t... (show quote)


I couldn't agree more;

Darwin’s theory provides for a stand alone system. Evolution is fully autonomous process that does not require any guiding “rationality” to function. It’s an agonizingly slow, brutish, and insanely methodical process, but it works.

Moreover, it has given rise to the concept of scientific naturalism — the idea that the material world and all the phenomena we see around us can be explained without having to invoke an architect or overseer. All the evidence currently points to this conclusion, and until science reveals any hint of supernatural meddling — which it has not – we will continue to have to accept naturalism as the ongoing scientific paradigm.
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Aug 22, 2014 10:23:01   #
Racmanaz wrote:
There is no logic in evolution because there is no evidence in it, you just choose to believe in something that fits your agenda :)


From Pope John;

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."
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Aug 22, 2014 10:10:43   #
rpavich wrote:
And to round it all out we get an insult instead of a good argument.

Not surprising at all.


But thanks for stopping by for the several hundreth thread speaking about God....I'm so THANKFUL that you are compelled to do so...you give me SO MANY opportunities to explain the philosophical bankruptcy of the Atheistic position.

Keep coming back.


You also said;
No problem there...there are lots of scientists who are bible believers....Christians have no problem with this at all.

Actually about 97% of world scientists are atheists. That's about the same percentage of "Christians" that are in our prison system.
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Aug 19, 2014 21:22:18   #
Bazamac wrote:
I asked him for a photo of gravity earlier - he said I was deflecting. I also asked him for a photo of faith. He disappeared right after that


That was one of my favorite posts of the day, you asking for a picture of faith. He must believe that the pictures of Jesus are real, that's why he believes in him.
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Aug 19, 2014 17:26:18   #
NeilL wrote:
Saying "the invisible man in the sky". That is puerile.


It was meant to be silly. It is what you believe and to hear it put that way makes it all sound so silly.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:29:20   #
Bazamac wrote:
What's insulting about being called a liberal?


He uses it as an insult all the time usually surrounded by a whole host of ad hominem.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:26:02   #
NeilL wrote:
By your own admission, too.


Pay attention.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:24:39   #
NeilL wrote:
All science fact started out as science fiction??? Are you serious??? Now you're talking like a liberal.


Now you're starting with your insults. There's been a lot of good back and forth without that.
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Aug 19, 2014 16:22:24   #
NeilL wrote:
That is ridiculous!


I know. What kind of illogical person would make that proclamation?
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Aug 19, 2014 16:06:38   #
Clem B. wrote:
Amen!!!!!


DavidPhares wrote:
I have always found it ironic that a photographer, who seeks to capture the bounteous beauty of the world, cannot see the touch of a Creator through his viewfinder. Sounds, to me, like a classic case of "to view but not see,". Oh well, perhaps you have not been viewing the right subjects.

Because it's an unreasoned leap in logic to look out at the Grand Canyon and proclaim that an invisible man in the sky did that.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:58:34   #
Picnutt77 wrote:
so why don't we just call him the CREATOR???????
does the Pope speak to God?????
we are supposed to only Worship one God
this could go on for Eternity


If you're responding to a particular post, click on the blue "quote reply" button under their post and type your remark so we know who you're responding to.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:55:21   #
Bazamac wrote:
Well as far as we know - there may indeed be other sentient species in the universe who have developed the concept of faith. We may never meet them, of course, given the vastness of the universe. Which brings me to a previous point made by another poster - the claim that because we haven't found extra-terrestrial intelligence after 50 years searching we should give up saying that there may be other intelligent species in the universe. All we can actually say is that it is looking unlikely that there is an intelligent species which is advanced enough to detect and respond to a signal sent via radio within 25 light years. And the fact that oxygen has been found in the atmospheres of some exoplanets suggests (though it doesn't prove) that there may be life on them.
Well as far as we know - there may indeed be other... (show quote)


I think the beauty of science is to never stop inquiring, pondering, wondering and proving or disproving. Religion gave up, science marches on.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:40:35   #
steve40 wrote:
God did not come into being, everything else came into being by him. God has always been. Now that!. is what takes faith. And it is a faith not natural to man, it is God given to those he chose. Not to others.

We need to stop here we are getting close, to a discussion in Theology. You don't even want to go there, and I don't want to go there with you. :) Not on this forum.


Well you do agree that it's possible for something to have "always been". I don't know why you think that would only be possible if it were a God. As for faith that is not natural to man, there can be no other kind. No other creature has the capacity to have faith. Other animals may have expectations based on past experience but not faith. It's our self awareness that distinguishes us from the other animals and the ability to wonder, "where did we come from". We've evolved too far to continue to believe that someone put us here.
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Aug 19, 2014 15:19:39   #
steve40 wrote:
It takes a person devoid of any reason, to come up with there is no God. And to think that life, came into being all by itself. Science has been 50 or more years trying to locate life elsewhere in the universe, they have not even come close. When does reality set in, and you have to say you are beat. God created man a unique creation, there is no other life out there. Other than that of the spiritual realm.

If you don’t believe in God, I cannot help you. But if you believe in little green/gray men, flying sausages, and the like, you need help. Perhaps the “Funny Farm”. Or you have watched that fuzzy headed guy, that comes on the History channel too much. Turn off the tube once in a while, it will poison your mind, with all sorts of tripe.



“Heaven!”. :)
It takes a person devoid of any reason, to come up... (show quote)


No need to be a smart aleck. You believe that your God came into being all by himself so that idea isn't foreign to your conclusions about how life begins. There is an equal amount of evidence for all of the things you mention including a creator. None. And you didn't use reason to conclude that there is a God. You need faith for that.
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Aug 19, 2014 14:57:05   #
Racmanaz wrote:
yes you stated that correctly I am a creation of God that is. Now I'm not an evolution from one species it to another there was no transformation in that respect.


Cross species is studied today as part of genetic engineering. It is not a part of evolution.
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