Evolution - A DECISION OF IGNORANCE
Aug 21, 2014 00:46:59 #
Aug 21, 2014 02:41:20 #
Aug 21, 2014 03:04:32 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Wellhiem wrote:
Stop it. You are making a fool of yourself. Just a word of advice.
Actually I'm not a fool at all. A fool has said in his heart that there is no God.
Romans 1:18-20
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Aug 21, 2014 03:09:23 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Aug 21, 2014 08:23:14 #
Please stop. Too Funny!!!
Really got a good laugh from that video.
Do you have one where god makes a woman from a spare rib?
Really got a good laugh from that video.
Do you have one where god makes a woman from a spare rib?
Aug 21, 2014 08:27:51 #
Frank T wrote:
Do you have one where god makes a woman from a spare rib?
I do remember seeing that video out there. And let me tell you, the woman was smokin' hot.
Aug 21, 2014 08:37:08 #
Too bad no Anti-Christian on this thread will actually deal with what's stated specifically in the video.
They think that dismissal and derision constitute arguments for their position...that's the true ignorance.
While I don't necessarily agree that the points made in the video constitute any "proof" for the Christian position, I do agree that it makes some good points that I would call "confirmations" of the Christian position.
"proof" or lack thereof is in the eyes of the evaluator and since we both (Christians and non-christians) have that same "evidence" as outlined in the video, we both will interpret what is said based on our own predetermined position...our "presuppositions" if you will.
So how DO we evaluate which side is valid and which is not?
I think that the answer lies in the worldview that can rationally and logically offer the basis for reality, knowledge, morality, and even logic itself.
That would be the Christian worldview...the Atheistic worldview cannot even account for the most basic of human experience if kept within it's own worldview.
I'm driven by the evidence, to the Christian view.
They think that dismissal and derision constitute arguments for their position...that's the true ignorance.
While I don't necessarily agree that the points made in the video constitute any "proof" for the Christian position, I do agree that it makes some good points that I would call "confirmations" of the Christian position.
"proof" or lack thereof is in the eyes of the evaluator and since we both (Christians and non-christians) have that same "evidence" as outlined in the video, we both will interpret what is said based on our own predetermined position...our "presuppositions" if you will.
So how DO we evaluate which side is valid and which is not?
I think that the answer lies in the worldview that can rationally and logically offer the basis for reality, knowledge, morality, and even logic itself.
That would be the Christian worldview...the Atheistic worldview cannot even account for the most basic of human experience if kept within it's own worldview.
I'm driven by the evidence, to the Christian view.
Aug 21, 2014 08:38:05 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Actually I'm not a fool at all. A fool has said in... (show quote)
True.
And here they are discussing with passion, something they claim they don't believe exists...their actions betray their heart.
Aug 21, 2014 08:44:13 #
Um....yea.....sure.....
Except that science and logic has already shown us, repeatedly, that evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins. (thanks to wikkipedia)
So..... to disbelieve evolution one would have to abandon logic and science.
Make believe is fun, and can be entertaining to those with infantile brains and desires, but I prefer to live in the world using logic and reason, and reading science and listening to scientists.
Except that science and logic has already shown us, repeatedly, that evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins. (thanks to wikkipedia)
So..... to disbelieve evolution one would have to abandon logic and science.
Make believe is fun, and can be entertaining to those with infantile brains and desires, but I prefer to live in the world using logic and reason, and reading science and listening to scientists.
Aug 21, 2014 08:55:51 #
rpavich wrote:
Too bad no Anti-Christian on this thread will actually deal with what's stated specifically in the video.
I'm not inclined to, simply because you frame non-Christians as anti-Christians. I'm not anti-Christian, I just don't happen to be one.
I'm not anti-Christian anymore than I'm anti-Chef because I'm not a good cook.
I drive a Ford Explorer, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-Chevy Tahoe.
By deciding that we're "anti-Christian", you've already demonstrated that you're not going to consider any position contrary to yours.
Ergo, there's absolutely no point in even starting the conversation with you...
Aug 21, 2014 08:56:48 #
Just want to clarify, there is no Christian position on evolution.
Most Christians accept evolution as part of the beauty of God's creation. Some do not. There is no unified position.
Some Christians believe that the earth is something like 5 or 6 thousand years old, and that carbon dating is just the devil's way of messing with us. Most do not hold that belief.
But, to each his own.
Most Christians accept evolution as part of the beauty of God's creation. Some do not. There is no unified position.
Some Christians believe that the earth is something like 5 or 6 thousand years old, and that carbon dating is just the devil's way of messing with us. Most do not hold that belief.
But, to each his own.
Aug 21, 2014 08:58:11 #
Gnslngr wrote:
Um....yea.....sure..... br br Except that science... (show quote)
Hahahah..and here is Gnslngr!...I KNEW he couldn't stay away....love it....
I'll deal with your statements one by one:
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Except that science and logic has already shown us, repeatedly, that evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Yes...we all observe that changes happen...we agree on that. Not sure how that implies that goo-to-you Evolution is a fact though.
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Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins.
Yes...we all love OBSERVATIONAL science (founded by Christians by the way)
No problem there...there are lots of scientists who are bible believers....Christians have no problem with this at all.
It's the faith-based system of the turning of one kind into another that we have a problem with and that hasn't been observed.
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So..... to disbelieve evolution one would have to abandon logic and science.
Actually that's patently untrue. It's a canard because you don't listen or study what the other side has to say...you are closed minded.
Christians are the only ones who can ground logic and make science possible within their worldview, and as I said before, some of the greatest scientists of all time have been bible believing Christians.
So this is just a fallacy designed to throw mud on the other side and stifle real conversation.
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Make believe is fun, and can be entertaining to those with infantile brains and desires, but I prefer to live in the world using logic and reason, and reading science and listening to scientists.
And to round it all out we get an insult instead of a good argument.
Not surprising at all.
But thanks for stopping by for the several hundreth thread speaking about God....I'm so THANKFUL that you are compelled to do so...you give me SO MANY opportunities to explain the philosophical bankruptcy of the Atheistic position.
Keep coming back.
Aug 21, 2014 09:00:44 #
New York Steve wrote:
I'm not inclined to, simply because you frame i n... (show quote)
Ok...non-Christians...I won't be hurt if you want to call yourself something else...I'll just keep pointing out the inability (or unwillingness) to actually deal with the statements at hand.
That's fine with me.
Aug 21, 2014 09:07:00 #
The existence of God has never been proven. It never can be.
That's why they call it "faith".
The absolute worst thing that could happen for Christians would be the discovery of proof of God's existence. Once that happens, the need for houses of worship goes away. People go to churches, mosques and synagogues because their faith compels them to. Once you prove God's existence, though, that faith no longer needs to be fed, simply because "faith" ceases to exist.
In my 52 years, I've yet to see a single thing, which might otherwise suggest God exists, that cannot be explained another way...
That's why they call it "faith".
The absolute worst thing that could happen for Christians would be the discovery of proof of God's existence. Once that happens, the need for houses of worship goes away. People go to churches, mosques and synagogues because their faith compels them to. Once you prove God's existence, though, that faith no longer needs to be fed, simply because "faith" ceases to exist.
In my 52 years, I've yet to see a single thing, which might otherwise suggest God exists, that cannot be explained another way...
Aug 21, 2014 09:08:36 #
rpavich wrote:
Ok...non-Christians...I won't be hurt if you want to call yourself something else...I'll just keep pointing out the inability (or unwillingness) to actually deal with the statements at hand.
That's fine with me.
That's fine with me.
It's not that I "want to call myself something else". It's that I'm not anti-Christian. That would be like me insisting you're an astronaut. You're not one, so where's the logic in continually referring to you as one?
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