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Sep 21, 2011 21:01:30   #
fivedawgz wrote:
gessman wrote:
JimH wrote:
eBay is a very good source for used lenses, especially if you buy from an established seller with better than 99.5% positive feedback, and utilize eBay and PayPal return policies if you do not receive what is promised. Make sure the lens you want is described as "in working condition" or words to that effect, and not as "for parts or not working". If there's any doubt, just wait for a better one. So many used lenses come on the market that, like buses and women, there's always another one down the road.

Used lenses, especially those by the manufacturer of your camera body, will not hurt your camera at all.
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If you go ebay hunting and you come to an advert for a used lens and the sellers has anything that sounds like what I'm about to share with you, run, don't walk, but run away fast. If the seller says, "I don't know nuthin' about cameras. My aunt Jessica died and left it to me and I don't have no use for it, but I think it's nearly new." What you're gonna get 99 times out of 100 is a broken piece of equipment. Ebay might stand behind it but you're gonna tie up your money for awhile.
quote=JimH eBay is a very good source for used le... (show quote)


Oh yeah. I used to specialize in old dolls and the "my aunt/ grandmother/ other female relative left me this here doll collection and I don't know nuthin about nuthin" means that you are about to get screwed.

But there are other cool ways. Sometimes, you send money and get something completely different than what was listed and good luck getting your money back ... you should only live long enough. Or what you get isn't what was pictured: you get something 100 years old, NOT what you supposedly bought.

There are so many ways you can get screwed on Ebay ... the ways are more than I can list and I have been through every one of them at least once. LOTS of crooked people out there, LOTS of counterfeit items (LOTS), huge numbers of misleading advertisements and lots of people who leave town (and Ebay) before you ever have a chance to get your money or your refund. Oh, and fraudulent accounts, too.

Even when you do know what you are doing, you can STILL get nailed. And on Ebay, eventually, you will.
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Much earlier, I felt an urge to start an old folder camera collection so I started buying them up, naturally hoping that some of them might be good enough to run a roll of film through. I bought around 100 over a period of a year or so. Invariably, the seller would say, "I'm not sure what this is. Somebody said it was an old camera but you couldn't prove it by me. It came out of my grandpa's attic when he died and it looks brand new." Not a single one of those old folders I bought were functional, not a single one - frozen shutters, pinholes in the bellows, etc. I restored the ones that I could and have indeed run some film through them. The nicest one I bought was a Moscva 5 made in Russia, a copy of a Ziess camera that was real hot at the same time. The Moscva takes 120/220 and shoots 6x9 and with 6x7 and 2 1/4 square film masks. It is a tank and made at a time when the best thing we could turn out in this country was a piece of plastic or Bakelite.

All those old cameras do make a nice collection and I'm glad to have them. ebay is an interesting place and it seems to bring out the worst in a con artist.
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Sep 21, 2011 20:47:54   #
Hey, I see that the gold/yellow is lighter in the 2nd one. I didn't touch it and worked right off the same image I posted originally up top. Something in the process faded it out a little.
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Sep 21, 2011 20:45:54   #
mortonfarm wrote:
gessman wrote:
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
Haha...there are a lot of us trying to figure it out aren't there!?


Okay, guys, the goose is cooked and I'm done too.


Waaak!!! Enough already...! Thanks Guessman...this was fun ...You seem to be a good sport...Thanks for all the info...! Linda


You sound like you're leaving us then. I am a good sport as long as the joke isn't on me. :-) Hey, if you're not a good sport, what are ye?
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Sep 21, 2011 20:19:29   #
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
Haha...there are a lot of us trying to figure it out aren't there!?


Okay, guys, the goose is cooked and I'm done too.

Raw


Cooked


"Let my people go..." er, uh, geese! Let 'em go!

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Sep 21, 2011 19:32:22   #
JimH wrote:
eBay is a very good source for used lenses, especially if you buy from an established seller with better than 99.5% positive feedback, and utilize eBay and PayPal return policies if you do not receive what is promised. Make sure the lens you want is described as "in working condition" or words to that effect, and not as "for parts or not working". If there's any doubt, just wait for a better one. So many used lenses come on the market that, like buses and women, there's always another one down the road.

Used lenses, especially those by the manufacturer of your camera body, will not hurt your camera at all.
eBay is a very good source for used lenses, especi... (show quote)


If you go ebay hunting and you come to an advert for a used lens and the sellers has anything that sounds like what I'm about to share with you, run, don't walk, but run away fast. If the seller says, "I don't know nuthin' about cameras. My aunt Jessica died and left it to me and I don't have no use for it, but I think it's nearly new." What you're gonna get 99 times out of 100 is a broken piece of equipment. Ebay might stand behind it but you're gonna tie up your money for awhile.
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Sep 21, 2011 18:52:12   #
mortonfarm wrote:
gessman wrote:
mortonfarm wrote:
gessman wrote:
SQUIRL033 wrote:
the rule of thirds is a guideline, not a hard and fast law. most images look better when the composition makes use of those guidelines, but there are certainly viable exceptions and reasons to ignore the rule of thirds.

that said, i'm not sure the merganser shot shouldn't have more in front for the bird to move into. you can still show the wake behind, perhaps not as much, and you might need to take a wider crop to do it, but this one's just a bit too cramped on the right.

the goose shot is okay as it is. you've got some nice colors, including that blue wake, but it could benefit from a bit less contrast and some judicious toning down of the bright spots... the whites on the goose are a bit too hot.
the rule of thirds is a guideline, not a hard and ... (show quote)


Thank you. I can already tell that I'm going to enjoy this thread. The merganser is an in camera crop. I didn't take anything off and shot it that way on purpose. I'd have to clone in more water in front and above her which will what, change the perspective and push back and diminish my attempt to get as much of the action in the frame as possible. I guess enough to back her up. How far? ...to the rule of 3rds point on the still short side of the pic? If you have the time, please pull it in and show me what you have in mind and put it back out here. I would sincerely appreciate it. There's violence connected with their landing and I was hoping to convey that they pretty much land out of control and nearly run off the end of the landing strip. I guess I missed.
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IDK...made me kinda wonder what was coming up behind him...tho I do agree that there could be just a little more water in front of him...but if it isn't there it just isnt there huh? I don't know anything about edge extensions, haven't moved into that yet. I do agree that the white in the 2nd shot is too white...at least for my taste....but the Canadian Geese are so regal appearing...!I like your photos and the way you kinda challange others to think and apply it to their own work...Linda
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Thank you Linda. I've toned down the goose as you'll see. As for the merganser, I've got to see if I can find my sequence of that to see what's available to me.
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I do like the revised version for the goose itself, but it's a shame to loose the beautiful golden background...it would be nice if there were a way to just work on the goose and leave the background alone.There may be, IDK, but not in my little kernal of photoshop knowledge...lol Anyway, the wonderful pic of the little red merganser landing is the winner in my thoughts this go round...wonderful...made me smile! Like..."oops" gotta slow down from now on"...Linda
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Thanks. I think "we're" working on the goose. I just did a hurried lightening and contrast lowering job without respect to the water. I'll pop another edit out there soon.
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Sep 21, 2011 18:41:07   #
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
gessman wrote:
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
Mommy...
This is my latest High Pass Image


It's a really nice image, clear, sharp, soft yet crisp focus, great bokeh. Would you mind posting the original so I can see the changes High Pass made. I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.


I decided on High Pass because the original is too soft. I think I focused on her collar...but I really liked the photo so I had to find something to make it work! :)


The original is not too shabby. Both nice. Okay, maybe I'm a step closer to PS. Gotta sleep on it. Thanks. :-)
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Sep 21, 2011 18:24:49   #
Leopold Lysloff wrote:
Greetings gessman and thank you as well for your interesting and valued input. These forums are a great way for any of us to gain from as well as to give to.
Many participants have great ideas and intentions as they seek ways to help or improve their hobby (photography in this case).
I have had a lot fun and hopefully able to offer whatever I can to get a better "picture" for all of us.


It is an enjoyable and enlightening occasion to participate in this forum, my first experience at it.
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Sep 21, 2011 18:18:54   #
PhotoArtsLA wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
I added the coke vs pepsi to see if anyone was outhere. besides we all know its coke :idea:


Actually, blindfold the person and pinch their nose closed. Then test 7-Up vs. Coke vs. Pepsi and be amazed. I sat in a college class of about 800 people and watched person after person not being able to distinguish a thing. It was just to make the point of the importance of site and smell in the food experience.


Not to be contrary but to compliment, the person conducting that test is somewhere a tad short of being a wizard - by 6th grade many of us, if not most, down in Arkansas, about 51st on the list of states for education, were aware that we only taste 4 things, sweet, sour, salty, and bitter. Everything else with food is smell and the eyes only play the minor role of allowing you to keep your green beans away from your yellow corn.

Of course if you block off the sense of smell, you would only sense the wetness, the fizz and the sweetness. Not sure how that escaped the folks of LA all the way up to college with CA being "the trend setting state" that it is, but I find it interesting. Thanks. Now back to the thread at hand. Sorry! I just felt a need to act on behalf of the "Hijack Sheriff." I guess he's on vacation. :-) Bobbee, are ya listenin'?
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Sep 21, 2011 17:52:00   #
Leopold Lysloff wrote:
Thank you anotherview.
I think that bringing home images of nice places we have been to is very rewarding and worth all our efforts in having nice camera equipment (and knowing how to use it). Better lenses are definitely an important factor to consider in your camera kit. The magic is always in the glass, then a good and accurate "box" to use it with. Choices and study can make a big difference in the final result.
My greatest gifts are often unusually nice or "accidental" shots of scenes or moments from places I have been.
Thanks for sharing and great work.
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Thank you sir. I've enjoyed your valuable contributions to the forum. They're very informative and useful.
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Sep 21, 2011 17:48:18   #
mommy115 wrote:
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
There is no reason for you to need it. You have amazing photos. The one of the goose I am just in love with. The colors are great...my way does'nt improve it. It just gives a different, I guess more 'artsy' view to it. I'll work on it and post it if you want. But as I said before, it won't improve the picture! :)


Hi...I had never even seen the high pass category before. It does have an interesting effect although it will take some time before I really understand when one would use it. Do you have any suggestions for types of photos one would use it for?
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APhelpsPhoto has posted a thread involving High Pass. I'm going to assume you'll see but act like you didn't and let you know it's there.
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Sep 21, 2011 17:46:34   #
Carmen wrote:
mommy115 wrote:
Bob, the Merganser is not obeying the rule of thirds but I love that shot. It would be nice if there was a little more space in front of her but there is no way I wouldn't keep that photo if it was mine. It shows such movement and personality!


I agree. I would prefer more space in front, but the detail of everything else makes up for it. I also like the second one, but would like to see someone play with the tones, just a little bit.


Thanks Carmen. I think we're working on the second one. Feel free to jump right in there with your vision of it too, please. I'd appreciate it if you have the time.
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Sep 21, 2011 17:45:05   #
bobmielke wrote:
gessman wrote:
Hey folks, if I'm over-working ya and need to slow down or give it a break, please let me know. I have wrestled with these two shots and whether I should like 'em or not. this first shot is a little less complicated than the other one, I think, so I'll get it out of the way first.

This female common Merganser is coming in for a landing and has just skidded a little on the surface of the water and then slowed down but hasn't yet settled onto the water's surface. Is this a case where it is prudent and acceptable to show a moving subject as moving out of the image rather than into it?

The Canada Goose is in a extraordinarily colorful state in some surreal looking water. Digital sometimes does some real goofy stuff like this when the light is hitting it just right. Is this "too" much or can it get away with being called "natural?"
Hey folks, if I'm over-working ya and need to slow... (show quote)


Bravo! I really like your first image. It's interesting to the point of being humorous while showing motion in your composition. It's nicely exposed and sharp. Well done!
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Thank you sir. I certainly value your opinion. I'll try to do even better. Thanks again.
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Sep 21, 2011 17:43:35   #
mommy115 wrote:
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
I've been fooling around with it for a bit and everything I do takes the colors out of the water and keeps the brightness of the goose. I'll try a few more things and then post them up here. I also just uploaded a new topic called High Pass with an example of what I was thinking. It's of a dog...but more the colors


I wonder how it would work if you isolated the goose and only used the adjustment on the goose. You may be able to get a good adjustment on the goose and not lose the beautiful colors of the water.
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That certainly is a thought. I haven't done much "isolating" but I'll see if I can figure it out. Thanks.
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Sep 21, 2011 17:41:36   #
APhelpsPhoto wrote:
Mommy...
This is my latest High Pass Image


It's a really nice image, clear, sharp, soft yet crisp focus, great bokeh. Would you mind posting the original so I can see the changes High Pass made. I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.
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