Those are absolutely fantastic. Like other's, I've already looked up the software and may try the trial, if for nothing else, to learn something new. You have to love this forum, always sharing and learning...

Nice catch looks well maintained. You have to wonder if there is a five cent glass bottle coke machine inside!!

I did both last year but spent a whole day in Sedona and the rest of the whole week in GC. Although the Pink Jeep tour we did was really nice, doing that in Sedona and then making the trek to GC, you'll spend more time riding in a vehicle than you will be enjoying the sights. Keep in mind the tours are always 2-3 hours all in and the time from Sedona to GC is some 2 hours. Given only one day, how much will you really enjoy the sights?

In the GC, Paul is right, Go near the Angel Bright Lodge, the sights on that side of the south rim are amazing. The weather is a factor, so is the smoke from any nearby brush fires burning. I have shots with this cool haze on them, albeit it looks foggy, it is the low lying smoke from the fires that were burning.

We also did a Helicopter ride https://www.papillon.com/?ref=0000 It was just unbelievable. again, 3 hours.

If you have the time and want to do something really special again another 1-2 hour ride, take a photo tour of the slot canyons. They have tours that are limited to photographers, and you must have a DSLR or Mirrorless with tripod to go on it. One photog will enable your family or loved ones to also go. This keeps out the cell phone snappers and they unreal with helping set up shots and taking you places others are not allowed to go. Unfortunately it appears they've closed due to the virus, who knows if they'll be open when you get there. Worth a call. https://www.navajoantelopecanyon.com/Photo.html

In any event, the other thing you might take advantage of is the dark sky in the GC to do some Milky Way shots at night. In short its an all day affair, from day break to after dark.

Be really careful about where you are, some are killed falling over the edge trying to get that best selfie. There's no hand rails to keep you confined. When we were there, the news reported that someone had just done this. I happened to see a Ranger giving a class about the history of the canyon and asked him how many people actually do that. We learned that 6-7 people a year go over edge from loss of situational awareness (selfies). They said another 5-7 jump and another 10-12 have the big cardiac arrest. Bring tons of water, get a hydro pack if you're going to do some hiking. Although my wife teased me, I filled mine with Lemonade and tons of ice and was able to go all day. She had boring lukewarm water. I took a picture of my dash to memorize the fact that in August 2019 it was 111 degrees when we got there.

In short, there is so much to do there you will not realize how fast the time went. It's been a year and I still haven't processed my pictures, I have so many that SOOC look amazing. Go on youtube and look for videos about the Grand Canyon, there are some real good personal ones among the silly ones. I'd go back in a heartbeat as I don't think we saw everything. I'd like to go to the North Rim in the fall for some snow and more winter scenes.

Thanks for the reply. You're right I doubt it would change my opinion unless you tell me they lower the margin on the camera body to encourage sales and try to make up the differential on the accessories. But then again, the 3rd party aftermarket houses have design and volume issues to manage too.

I agree with you that we are so fortunate to have the gift of choice. Same to you, enjoy our wonderful craft.

As I reviewed, the next cheapest price in the original link from your site was a Canadian dealer for $179, I seem to have wrongly assumed it was the same place as they're both in Canada.

In the response, without revealing the vendor, you wrote "please reply and provide your name, phone number, and billing/shipping address. I would forward this information to the store to get your order started, and let you know who the dealer is at that time. Your transaction would be directly with the store..." You also noted that it is brand new and "They are a reputable dealer (the source of several of our group buys and deals)." IMHO and I may be wrong, there's something amiss when this price for a new product can't be found anywhere else and the foreign vendor name has to be hidden. CPW must earn a commission on the referral, otherwise I can't imagine what's in this for CPW?

In the end, it raises alarms of concern with today's multiple methods of phishing information for nefarious purposes. Maybe this is liegit, and it maybe ok for others to deal this way, but I'm not comfortable with this model.

I'm always glad to be a source of fun. But in reality you couldn't tell the difference in these products here other than lining the OEM pocket with extra cash. Having owned the $79 version, seems to me that the $130 isn't in the quality of the plastic, so not sure why there is such a difference other than a huge profit. It isn't like Canon is making these in the US...

$79.95 - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1116606-REG/vello_bg_c12_battery_grip_for.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

$209 - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1081811-REG/canon_9130b001_bg_e16_battery_grip_for.html

I didn't buy mirrorless for weight or size, I bought it because it's the emerging technology, it fit my needs and it was the right price to enter the FF genre. Canon has a grip for the R, but it's $250. Notably they have one for the new R5 too, but it's $350. The accessory market is sure to beat that price by at least $100. Can't speak to lens hoods but my guess is like anything in the accessory market and a similar pricing differential.

Thanks, but in another 20 second look into the URL shows that the $140 price is a scam. You fill out a form and the response is a new price of $179. You look closer and its from an authorized dealer on ebay who lives out of the country. The other ebay prices are typically grey market, not that those may be bad but I don't want to have a controversy on a product like this. Caveat emptor. If I'm going to give money away to unknown scams, I'd rather just donate it to a charity.

Thanks for the reply. While I heard of issues with 3rd party grips, the cost difference is a huge incentive to try them. The Vello one you describe is clearly not worth it, sounds like simply a piece of plastic molded for the bottom. I had a Meike grip for my 7D MkII and it had the joystick, every button, and the thumbwheel on it. It also sported a 2ghz wireless shutter trigger. All for less than $75 and it worked perfectly. https://meikeglobal.com/products/meike-mk-7d2-professional-battery-grip-for-canon-eos-7d2-7d-mark-ii-dslr-cameras-as-bg-e16

Hence, I suspect there is a huge profit made on an OEM grip. I also notice that used Canon grips for the R are simply not available, I suspect when one is available, it's sold right away, others looking to save on them just like me. Just wasn't sure if anyone heard of a cheaper solution.

I've enjoyed using a grip on my last two cameras, a D50, and then a 7D MkII. I've always looked to the 3rd party accessory market to save some money on accessories, especially grips. I recall paying some $75 for a Vello grip for the 7D MkII v the Canon grip being over $200. I've reasoned there's no real tech in the grip, they both hold two batteries and have the same button functionality.

I bought the EOS-R last year and really enjoy using the camera, the pictures it produces are unreal. At the same time, I am amazed that there does not appear to be anyone making a grip for it other than Canon. Vello has one for the EOS-RP but not the EOS-R. I get that they need to recover the cost of making a mold, but I bet there are a lot of EOS-Rs in the market. I am confident there will be 3rd party grips available for the R5 and R6. Anyone know why there's nothing for EOS-R?

I really miss my HP Photosmart S20, it used to do a great job for negatives and prints. I still have it but the last OS they wrote a Twain driver for was XP. It's a no go on Windows 10. Sometimes progress is a setback.

Waiting to see someone comment on the R6 sensor spec - 20 MP?? The R5 sensor spec is 45MP ????? Even the EOS-R and 5D MkIV is 31 MP.

I don't get the reasoning for the sensor spec. Thoughts??

I enjoy using a grip, for me it's just easier to hold the camera for a portrait orientation. I always had a Vello and enjoyed that they embedded a wireless shutter trigger into the model I had for my Canon 7D MKII.

Oddly enough though the only grip available for my EOS-R is the overpriced Canon one. I've waited and waited for Vello or anyone else to make one, but even though the camera has been out for over a year now, there's nothing on the horizon for it. I find that strange.

Albeit growing into a monster that some day will likely has restraints placed on it as we socialize everything, Amazon is nothing more than a multi-faceted business that in one instance hosts a website and invites others to sell their wares on it. BTW Walmart does the same thing, but the connotation of buying a EOS 5R there might not be the greatest. ie You don't find the same class of customer who want to buy a Porsche or Lamborghini Aventador at a Chevy truck dealer...

Keep in mind, its a side service that Amazon offers fulfillment and warehousing of the materials. A seller doesn't have to buy those services, but again most buyers look for the "fulfilled by Amazon" to have some assurance they're going to get their order.

For those sellers that enjoy these fulfillment services, they are subject to the Ts&Cs when they clicked "I Agree" on to get past that screen. The question is whether or not the "seller" ever really read them. Like installing a software package, most never read the terms or conditions of what they're doing, but rather consider it a general annoyance to have to hit "I Agree".

It may be Canon reached a deal with Amazon to protect and stop diluting its own authorized agents' sales, ie B&H, Adorama and the like. They likely paid Amazon a fee to "qualify" authorized sellers. Nothing but money grubbing business deals abound here.

Keep in mind, no one forces you to use Amazon and you can sell Canon products on the net if you want, just create your own website and sell like BH and others, including Amazon who built their business on a specific model and offered lower pricing and good service to attract people to the website. Now that they've grown, we're seemingly upset with their success. Remember how Amazon started, they were the online seller of books for Borders at least 25 years ago.

There is no restraint of trade here, it's just a manufacturer controlling their distribution channels. It sounds as though the emotion should be directed to Canon, not Amazon. Start a website and let us know in 25 years if you've reached 1/2 their size. I wasn't smart enough to buy Amazon stock either, but sure wish I had...

Kinda surprised not to see Shutterfly as one listed. My picks are Printique by Adorama and Bay Photo.

I am intrigued with the others listed and will have to give them a look see. Is anyone selling prints from these entities or just using them for personal pics?

But to all - what version Eneloop are you using? Amazon has a White version, a Black version labeled Eneloop Pro, and a new Red version. The description for the Pro version says can be recharged only 500 times, the White 2000 times and the "new" Red version 2100 times. I must believe the ampacity is also different, but just curious what version you all are using.

Dave