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Mar 18, 2019 16:48:02   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
No matter if you’re using Photoshop, Lightroom or Bridge, they all use ACR for raw files.


Thanks! Got it :-)
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Mar 18, 2019 15:12:10   #
OOPS!! Sooooo SORRY!!!

I was responding to someone....not sure who now....except that whoever it was, was explaining their workflow and their 'star' system.....
I got distracted midway through my response and then I must have hit a key that deleted my response and the kind person's response to my question :-(. OUCH!!

Don't know what I did.....but I apologize!
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Mar 18, 2019 14:54:52   #
chapjohn wrote:
You may also want to get Sony Imaging Edge (it's free) that is designed to work with Sony RAW. There are some things that the A7iii and A7Riii can do that other processing programs do not work with.


Thank you! I will check this out....haven't used it before, so appreciate the info.
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Mar 18, 2019 14:53:40   #
robertjerl wrote:
ACR is the heart of the editing for PS and LR . A few differences in controls and extras, but the same editing engine.
So you really don't need to go to ACR itself unless you just like or are used to the workflow in it.
I import to LR, do basic developing/editing there and go to PS for advanced editing then save back to LR which of course controls my file system for photos.


Thanks! I'll continue my workflow through LR as I have always done previously.
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Mar 18, 2019 02:31:22   #
bsprague wrote:
Gene's advice is (always) good. That said, I'm bothered by a couple things in your post. "I imported the files into Adobe Bridge" and "I have edited the RAW files in Bridge, it looks like they are all in LR" confuse me.

One of the primary points of confusion with Adobe software is about where the files are. The are not "in" any of the programs. The are "in" folder on drives where you put them.

Can you explain how the files are getting from your camera to your computer? With that, someone (maybe me) can get to the next part about modifying, saving and exporting.
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Ok, I actually imported files into LR, so I think I’m good there. I save/export my actual photos to an ext HD. I had the files in LR & then opened them in Bridge which allowed me to edit them in ACR. As I just explained above to Gene, I wasn’t sure how to get the raw files into ACR to edit( other than via Bridge) but I just tried editing them right in LR and that seems to work fine. Not sure if I need to save them & export them with diff file name once I’ve edited...they are continuing to show as _DSC1325.ARW
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Thanks for your help Bill!
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Mar 18, 2019 02:01:06   #
DWU2 wrote:
I think Gene nailed it with his advice. One thing, though - I'd suggest using Adobe RGB color space - especially for photos you output and post to the web.


Thank you! 👍
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Mar 18, 2019 01:59:58   #
Gene51 wrote:
You are doing a couple of extra steps, Pam.

If you are shooting raw, unless you have some need to have access to images immediately, the jpegs at best are unnecessary, and in the worst case, may prevent you from leveraging the extra dynamic range available in raw files. A good jpeg exposure in a high contrast situation may require that you prioritize middle tones and sacrifice highlights. In the same situation, you would be able to prioritize the highlights by exposing as bright as possible without actually blowing them out, and still record enough information to adjust exposure, highlights/shadows and white and black levels in post processing to make a good picture.

You are saving changes to dng. You don't have to do this. When you edit a raw file the edits are saved in a Lightroom preview catalog or an xmp file if you have ticked that option in the catalog preferences. If you are editing in Photoshop the changes are in the xmp file. You cannot open that file directly. If On1 is associated with xmp files then it will open when you click on one.

Bridge is not an image editor. Opening a raw file in Bridge will start an editing session in Adobe Camera Raw. When you close out of ACR, the raw file will have an associated xmp file.

If you are using Lightroom, you no longer need to use Bridge to Browse your files. You can import your raw files directly into Lightroom and use the Develop module, which is the same Adobe raw converter used Adobe Camera Raw. I prefer a catalog-based system to organize my files. Bridge is great if you don't want to open a file in Lightroom, but editing the image in ACR will not automatically add the image to Lightroom's catalog.

My workflow uses a raw file and a working edit file (16 bit psd, ProPhoto color space). I created a collection of export presets for each destination - printer, print lab, competition, social media, instagram, personal website, client proof for review, etc - each with it's own set of parameters specific to the destination. I have no need for jpegs, since I only make jpegs from my psd files, and occasionally directly from the edited raw file.

I hope this gives you some ideas for your own workflow.
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Thank you Gene!
Lots more questions....

So am I understanding that you recommend most times to only shoot raw & skip jpeg? Or are you advising only to import the raw images & skip import of jpeg?

Re not using Bridge to start my session in ACR...I’m not sure how to get to ACR from LR (unless I go to PS & once I go from LR to PS I still don’t see anything in PS that directs me to ACR?) I am confused (obviously!) as to how to get to ACR to edit my raw images.

I do understand that Bridge is not an image editor, but I thought that was how I got to ACR with my raw images.

When I go up to my Adobe info, I see a Camera Raw CC that says ‘up to date’ but it also says “edit and enhance your raw images inside PS & Bridge”.
All that said I did go into LR & just started editing in LR & I guess it’s doing the same type edits as I was doing in ACR? Looks the same.
Again, I’m confused. :-(
Thx again for all your help/guidance!
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Mar 17, 2019 16:31:42   #
I finally decided to take the ‘jump’ and started shooting RAW...actually shooting RAW & Jpeg...(recently upgraded my camera from Sony a7ii to an a7Riii).
I imported the files into Adobe Bridge to edit the RAW files. (Which then showed both RAW & jpeg files in Adobe Bridge)
-edited & saved each RAW file to dng files
-Bridge now shows RAW, dng, & jpeg file for each image.

-Was I correct in ‘saving’ the RAW files to ‘dng’?

-also notice a few of the images have an ‘xmp’ file which doesn’t show the actual thumbnail of the image, but if I click on it, it opens up my ON1 program (which I haven’t really started using yet).

-after I have edited the RAW files in Bridge, it looks like they are all in LR(incl the dng files)...I usually save to a folder on my ext HD....should I be ‘saving’ all the edited images to the folder in ext HD.... i.e. RAW, dng, & jpeg? (previously, before shooting RAW, I only had the jpeg images to save to external folder...not sure if I need all now).

Sorry for all the questions! Whew!
Thx! -Pam
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Feb 20, 2019 19:51:13   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
For the most part, deleting images from the card via the camera presents no risk. It does use your battery, sometimes a resource even more important than space on the card when out in the field. There's less risk by not deleting using the camera, but really, how much "less risk"? Many tools are quicker at displaying images for culling than LR, particularly if you shoot in RAW. I cull outside LR as much as possible and than import only those files I think I'll edit / keep. I've never had a problem with a card / camera by deleting in the camera, although I typically don't. As a best practice, don't use your computer to delete from the card nor reformat the card. Always format the card in the camera. Copy images from the card to the computer and delete images from those copies on the computer's harddrive.
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Curious to know what you use outside of LR to cull images? Thanks!
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Jan 1, 2019 23:19:07   #
Wow!!...as always, you are a wealth of information Bill/Burkphoto! I always take note and am interested in your responses!
Personally, I currently have a Sony a7ii. Have used Nikons and Canons in the past, but I'm really liking my Sony. Drooling over the a7iii (that is about the most I can 'afford', now that I'm in retirement mode!)....would love to upgrade....maybe later this year. Overall, happy I made the switch though.
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Dec 31, 2018 12:19:39   #
Yes- I saw the tutorial & will be interested in viewing it. Good to know there may be another ‘option’ down the line, if we were to think about going to just one system. Thank you!
david vt wrote:
One more thought. There is a specific workflow/tutorial for migrating from LR to ON1. I am pretty sure it is working on gathering those sidecar files in the LR catalog and distributing them out. So, if you ever want to fully convert, you can
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Dec 31, 2018 01:05:51   #
Thank you for your reply! I just purchased and look forward to trying it! I will keep LR & PS at this point.....can re-evaluate down the road. I have watched a few of the tutorials for ON1 and they seem to be very good so far. Thanks again.
Jeannie88 wrote:
I use it and I love it. For many years I used photoshop and Lightroom. Don't miss them a bit. You can find loads of their tutorials on youtube, as well as checking their info pages, and downloading the manual for the latest version.
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Dec 31, 2018 01:03:45   #
Thank you for the feedback! Yes....I hear you re proficiency...it takes time and work to get there. I am fairly proficient in LR, but not so much in PS. I will continue with both of these, and hopefully, also use ON1. Looking forward to trying it out. Just purchased. Happy New Year!
DavidPine wrote:
The odds are that if you aren't reasonably proficient with PSCC you will be the same with On1, Luminar, Capture One, DxO or any other application. All apps take work. PSCC just happens to have more bells and whistles than many other programs. That's why other programs shake hands with PSCC.
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Dec 31, 2018 00:59:34   #
Thank you so much for your detailed response/info! I went ahead and purchased and will jump in as soon as things quiet a bit after the holidays. Yes, I assumed that there would be more $$ for each update.... ha! Thanks again!
david vt wrote:
I am an amateur hoping to become good enough to be able to call myself an enthusiast as some point. LR/PS intimidated me as I started, so after much research, I started with ON1. I do like it. Since then, I have learned a bit of LR in local photography courses, and, so far, it seems like there is nothing that LR can do that ON1 cant. That probably does not continue if one was to look at PS, but that is not where I am at the moment.

One advantage I found in ON1 is that your don’t have to create nor maintain the LR catalog system. You put the photos into a folder however you want, delete them or move them however you want, and it will deal with it. I use the full non-destructive import feature, and it creates its two sidecar files beside every raw photo imported, so if I move them, I just have to move the set. I like this feature of ON1 better than LR as I think it is harder to mess it up accidentally.

If you do create a full folder-tree structure (X:photos main folder and sub folders on down from there), the keyword and smart album functions are just as good, if not better, than LR.

That said, don’t be fooled into thinking of this as a one-time purchase. I think they will do a major upgrade once per year for a while, and this upgrade will not be free (2018 to 2019 was not), so you will still spend 50-80 per year on “upgrades”

Matt Kloskowski Does a nice webinar on comparing features vs LR.

Good luck
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Dec 30, 2018 04:32:31   #
Thank you! Appreciate the info!
kpmac wrote:
I use ON1 2019 and really like it. One really nice feature is the ability to browse RAW images rather than waiting on an import. The editing features are outstanding. I am still learning to use it but I find the learning curve to be acceptable.
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