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Aug 5, 2014 23:10:58   #
Thanks for the suggestion. I will do some experimenting and see if I like the results better.
Peterff wrote:
Forgive me, but I don't think that it is the lens, it is the way that you are using it. Have you done any research on depth of field and the relationship to aperture value (f-stop)?

Apologies if I have misunderstood, but I think you need to experiment with whatever lens you use with f/8, f/11, f/16 compared to f/2.8 or f/3.5 and see what you get.

As a more academic exercise you might want to Google the f/64 group and do a whole bunch of background reading.

Good luck.
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Aug 5, 2014 23:04:02   #
If they open the blinds the light would be on the right side of their faces.
To focus 1/3 to 1/2 way into the field do I need to leave my camera on single shot focus and use the center point to focus on someone at that distance?
Yes I could sit on the edge on the stage.
robertjerl wrote:
OK, they sit on a flat floor, the stage is 4' high, just about right to shoot at a slight down angle if you sit on the edge of the stage and then have them all look in the direction of the camera and use aperture of f11 or f16 and focus on the row that is from 1/3 to 1/2 way into the depth of field. If the shutter speed is too slow at f11 or f16 use a fairly powerful external flash. (Could those blinds be opened to get in more ambient light? Or are they on the wrong side to light their faces?)
OK, they sit on a flat floor, the stage is 4' high... (show quote)
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Aug 5, 2014 22:39:29   #
Kids sit on the floor. Many times we get them up to do different movement type activities. In those pictures I usually change the setting to Sports because I figure that is a better setting for when they are moving. I've tried TV and not had very good results at all. Not sure what I am doing wrong there. I know that the shutter is staying open to long but when I've tried to increase it I still don't have good results. Maybe I am not increasing it enough. Tried a couple of times to up the ISO but then the pictures were to grainy. Decided at that point to stick to one or two modes because I was getting confused on what I had tried. Everything moves to fast for me to take a notebook in and write down what I've tried. We only have about 20-30 minutes on those mornings so we move pretty fast from activity to activity.
amehta wrote:
Are the rows chairs, or are the students sitting on the floor, or standing?
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Aug 5, 2014 22:08:16   #
When I want to focus on one or two students I use f2.8 usually. When I am trying to get more of the students in focus that seems to be when I am having problems. Those up close to me are in focus and I would like them to be. That is why I was asking about a different lens.
Peterff wrote:
So, do you have an aperture number that you usually set?
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Aug 5, 2014 22:05:46   #
The stage is probably four feet higher than the gym floor. We do have some windows on the north side and they have blinds which are closed most of the time. I will look through some pictures and see if I have a good example to post. I usually delete those like I am describing so I don't know if I saved any. The rows go across the narrow part of the basketball court. We have pull out bleachers but we don't use them because they are old and hard to pull in and out.
amehta wrote:
How high is the stage, how high are the bleachers, or how are the student rows arranged? I'm having a difficult time visualizing the scene. Is there a picture of your school online which includes a picture of the gym I could see? You can send me a private message if you do not want to post it publicly. Thanks.
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Aug 5, 2014 22:01:54   #
I shoot in aperture mode.
davidheald1942 wrote:
Hi McMM, Not a stupid question at all. In fact we ugly

hedge hoggers are as ignorant as other people, but we

(most of us) know photography pretty good.

What *program* do you shoot with? *auto* *tv* *av)*

*m* or some other program? It's important to know

so we can help you. Sorry I'm not of much help.

seeya

ronny
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Aug 5, 2014 21:49:58   #
I have taken pictures in the gym before but what I find is that many times the kids up close are out of focus and I don't like how that looks. That is why I was wondering if I needed a different lens. We have a stage and where the kids' rows start is only about 5-6 ft. away and I can't go back any farther without getting on the stage and I'd rather be at eye level. The lighting (fluorescent) isn't great but most of the time I can keep my ISO at 800 or lower when they are on the gym floor. If they are on the stage that is another story.
Peterff wrote:
First, what they said, Linda, Anand, and many others.

T3i is more than adequate. Monopod is an excellent idea, stable yet more responsive than a tripod in this scenario. What is the light like? Can you get in over the weekend to experiment?

Depth of field is likely important. Do you want everybody to be clearly crisp and in focus, or do you want to isolate some part of the range of subjects?

A fast f/2.8 lens provides plenty of light, but wide open delivers a different result from a lens that is well stopped down, say f/8 or f/11.

Do you have time to go play somewhere and experiment so that you can predict the results you will get before the critical event?
First, what they said, Linda, Anand, and many othe... (show quote)
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Aug 5, 2014 21:15:16   #
I am sorry that I didn't respond to the tripod question. Yes I have both a tripod and a monopod that I can use.
imagemeister wrote:
Amehta has the right idea, - back up and use the 24mm of the 24-70 if possible - use a monopod or tripod so you can lower your ISO and/or use a large flash as a fill light for the eyes....
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Aug 5, 2014 21:06:01   #
It started out as just taking my camera to school to learn how to use it and has turned into so much more fun than I ever imagined!
Danilo wrote:
Actually a really good question, mcmm! The easiest way to follow Linda's EXCELLENT advice would be to shoot in "aperture-priority" at f/11.0 or f/16.0 and your ISO on "auto".

You'll probably have little trouble filling your SD cards with fabulous images, and have plenty to learn from along the way! I envy your opportunities! Have fun! :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Aug 5, 2014 20:58:02   #
We have about 270 students and they sit in class rows. That would make about 14 rows. I don't necessarily need to get all 14 every time but I would like to be able to get 100-150 kids max in a photo. I figure that would still be close enough to be able to recognize the faces in the first four or five rows, don't you think?
amehta wrote:
Assuming you have room to back up, I would use the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8, because it should be sharper than the 18-55mm lens. At some point raising the ISO too high reduces the image quality more than you'd like, so it's a balancing act between ISO, aperture, and shutter speed.

How many students and in how many rows?
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Aug 5, 2014 20:11:32   #
I know you are all knowledgeable and I need your help with choosing the right lens. I am a teacher and take tons of pictures at school. Inside and out. Friday's we have a morning meeting with all of our students and we do a number of different activities and I try to take advantage of those times when we have all of the kids together. I have the Canon T3i and need some suggestions. I would like a lens that I can take pictures that will give me a good depth of field as well as sharp near and far and side to side so I get a large number of the kids in the pictures. Sorry for my lack of technical terms. I have the standard kit lens that came with my camera. Do I use it and just use f22 aperature with a higher ISO since the lighting isn't great or is there a lens that would work better for my gym situation. I hope I am not offending those of you that have "been there done that" when answering this question a million times.
I also have the Canon 24-70 f2.8 IS lens. Is this a better choice? If so what settings would you recommend with this lens.
I am envious of all of the knowledge everyone has on this site and was hesitant to ask because I didn't want to expose my lack of knowledge. But, I want to improve my photos and know this is the place to go and learn from the best.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Jul 10, 2014 09:56:40   #
I've been to Glacier three times and you are right. It is one of the most beautiful places you could ever see. Haven't been there in a number of years but Hidden Lake is another beautiful spot to take pictures. Took some up close and personal pictures of mountain goats on that hike.
piccnurse wrote:
I was able to go several years ago and want to go back again it is so beautiful there it will make you cry. The pictures don't do it justice. If the road to the sun is open diffentally go I had a brown bear run out in front of me you got to be fast with the camera. Logan Pass is another favoite, personally I don't think there is anything more beautiful then Glacier Park.
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Jun 22, 2014 19:43:21   #
I did the same thing to my Canon T3i. I ordered the new screen off ebay and my husband watched a Youtube video and replaced it for me. Minimum charge from Canon was $180 and he did it for the cost of the new screen, $6.99. Check out Youtube and ebay.
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Jun 8, 2014 12:01:05   #
Thank you for the information. I wondered how to tell how much PP you should apply. This will be helpful.
Marionsho wrote:
Welcome to the Hog, mcmm.
Keep in mind that it's easy to over sharpen in PP. My photo teacher said he was a judge for a photo contest, and said "more than 50% were over sharpened!" He said you have to increase the size to 200%, or more, to get a better look at what you're doing.
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Jun 7, 2014 19:01:34   #
You have all been so helpful. I will go back and set my camera to neutral and work with that for a while and see if I feel I need to make adjustments.
So much to learn!!!!
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