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Feb 21, 2018 13:38:21   #
rmalarz wrote:
This is not going to be a "this format is better than...". It's simply going to clear up a few misconceptions bandied about on this forum regarding the jpg file format. In fact, it's only going to clear up one misconception about this file format. The jpg format is a lossy file format. This means it is going to lose data. An understanding of discrete cosine transforms would be helpful in understanding the process. However, suffice it to say, here's what this post is going to clear up.

If one opens a jpg file, looks at it, and closes it, nothing happens to the file.

If one opens a jpg file, looks at it, and saves it, it degrades.

This is just the nature of the jpg file format and the save algorithm. It's that simple. Open, Look, Close, nothing. Open, Look, Save, file changes.

Yes, one can edit a jpg. However, in addition to the edits one makes, the save process works just the same making additional changes to the file over which the photographer has no control. The only control the photographer has is how much more gets changed based on the amount of compression selected at the time of saving the file.

If you don't believe this, it's simple to prove. Using the diff function in UNIX, or the free Windows program windiff will show you the changes. Can you visually see them, perhaps yes, perhaps no. The changes are there none the less. Again, it requires nothing more than a Save to instigate a change to the file.
--Bob
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My thanks to you and all who have posted here and on the other associated threads.

I am new to PP and had no idea that multiple saves might decrease the quality of the photo. Through reading here on UHH, I started shooting raw+jpeg to have better control over the final result, especially WB.

While shooting only JPEG, I shot some of my favorite photos, but the WB was not set correctly. Now I will be able to try to salvage some of those Jpeg pics, and will work strictly from a copy of my original, saving only once or twice.

Again, my Thanks to all for expanding my understanding of Raw, JPEG, and WB.

Steve
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Feb 20, 2018 19:03:16   #
I also have one from Japan, 1968. Used through my 2 years in the Navy. Recently bought an M42 adapter to use the lens with my Nikon D3100 and extension tubes. Everything still works perfectly.
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Feb 10, 2018 16:17:53   #
billgdyoung wrote:
When explaining the use of Photoshop or ACDSee to a friend, I used the term "post processing"... she was confused by that term...I explained that we should actually say "post camera processing" and that seemed to make more sense to my friend. Or the term could mean "after the processing is done" aka the final image. I find that some of the terms we use are confusing to those folks that don't do this for a hobby/living... what say you?


So wasn’t this just a teaching moment for you and an educational moment for her?
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Feb 8, 2018 18:48:51   #
TriX wrote:
I’m guessing you never tried Windows system restore (or snapshots on your file system).


Restore just hung up. My data was all backedup so it was just the operating system and functional programs that were lost. This was Windows 95 and the last windows i ran was XP. Once they quit supporting XP I quit supporting them.

I am sure Windows is better now, i am just reaaaallll happy with my Macs.
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Feb 8, 2018 15:18:08   #
GalaxyCat wrote:
This is all fascinating and I want to state that I am stuck with Apple's iCloud. The choice I have is the bottom level 27 inch iMac = $1799.00; I only want to edit photos, not videos, at this time. I back-up my (4+ year old) MacBook Pro onto an external "PassPort" drive, and it doesn't backup my documents or photos currently on their stupid cloud. I brought my older MacBook Air to the genius bar at the Boylston Street Apple store in Boston about a month ago, and they were no help. I couldn't seem to get thru to them that I WANT a backup of my documents/pictures/videos on a hard drive LOCALLY, besides their iCloud. It's like I was speaking a different language. I just don't think I can get 27 inches high resolution display, PC computer for less then $1,800.00??? Can I or not? Thanks.
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I would suggest taking a few of your photos that need PP on a thumb drive or SD card to the Apple store and view them on the various displays. That should give you a good comparison with photos that you are familiar with.

I would also suggest using the Time Machine on all your machines. Before buying my first Mac, I had several Windows machines. No matter what I did to backup systems, when the PC crashed there was no good way to get all the systems reloaded and up to date.
With Time Machine I can go back several months if needed and reload a particular file or program. Best system I have ever found.
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Jan 7, 2018 12:47:27   #
If you also have a tablet, I find it easiest to play a tutorial on the tablet while working on the computer. Play, pause, work on computer, repeat. Works for me anyway.
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Jan 6, 2018 11:39:30   #
It’s seems so obvious that this is proof positive that global warming is with us and causing the sun to melt.
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Jan 4, 2018 14:05:57   #
camerapapi wrote:
Yes, I got the discount and a couple of emails welcoming me and with a "macro pack" that I do not yet know how to use.
Plenty of useful tutorials that I will have to watch to learn.
Another learning curve...at my age.


The tutorials are very good, step by step. I love it.

Good luck
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Jan 4, 2018 14:00:07   #
rbnzreflections wrote:
Can anyone direct me to any photo editing so ftware for a beginner.Don't want to pay for Lightroom or Photoshop, little too advanced for me.Would appreciate all input from the experience of the Hoggs; thank you Rbnz


I just bought Affinity yesterday on sale for $40 (I think the sale ends today). Overwhelming at first look, then I found the tutorials. There are at least 50 of them and they start with the basics. They make all the difference to me.

Bought it to remove the background in a portrait of our Rottweiler on a black background. (Don’t know what the “professional” photographer was thinking.)

Had the background removed and replaced in 15 minutes on my first try. I am thrilled to say the least. My first try at post processing other than cropping.
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Dec 28, 2017 01:35:39   #
wrangler5 wrote:
Although I am in fact retired and living on a fixed income, I CAN afford the $10/mo for LR-PS now. But I have decided NOT to get on the subscription boat because of concerns about what can happen down the road. I am somewhat concerned that the monthly subscription amount will go up in the future, perhaps substantially. And IF the monthly fee goes up at a time when I CAN'T afford to keep on paying it, I would essentially be locked out of all the adjustments I make in LR from now until then. I would have to figure out what software to switch to and how to get my images moved in the most usable form, perhaps in a short time frame.

By sticking with my standalone LR6, and PS Elements (which does all the pixel level adjustments I actually need), I retain full control/use of my images as long as LR6 will run on one of my computers. I can keep an eye on LR substitutes as they come along, and decide when and how to switch to one (or more) should that prove desirable and feasible down the road. Hopefully, there would be little time pressure to actually complete the move, as well as a mass of experience from others who have made the same switch already and can speak knowledgeably of the benefits and pitfalls.
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I agree! And one more thought.

Supporting all these cameras we have now, must consume a large part of the software package. That package must enlarge with each new model introduced. At some point I would think that reducing the volume of the software (or at least restricting its size) would be desirable.

So what do I do when Adobe decides that my Nikon D3100 is too old to continue to support?
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Dec 27, 2017 23:54:24   #
I bought Luminar about 3 weeks ago and it is so simple to learn I used it to process some photos for my wife. Short story shorter, I made edits and had the photos printed to give my wife on Christmas. Other systems, I would still be trying to get usable pictures.

As far as photo organization, I use Photos on the iMac and keep backup copies in folders in the Pictures area. Looking forward to what will be added to Luminar.

I have never used Lightroom so I can’t compare, but I do know the learning curve for Luminar is easy for me. They have a 30 day free trial. Good Luck.
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Dec 27, 2017 13:00:45   #
flyguy wrote:
Profits are in the Billions not millions Jerry.

Here is what Adobe made last year "fiscal 2016" ---- $5.9 BILLION this is from their web site --- link posted below.

"Headquartered in San Jose, California, Adobe is one of the largest software companies in the world, with revenue of approximately US$5.9 billion in fiscal 2016. Our stock is traded on the NASDAQ under the symbol ADBE."

http://www.adobe.com/investor-relations.html


So, with those shameful profits, shareholders (like us retired folks) can actually have some income and return on our investment. It never ceases to amaze me how no one wants big business to make a profit until you talk about the company they are invested in. Perhaps if you want to purchase the subscription you might also want to buy stock in Adobe, so you can get some of your money back.
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Dec 26, 2017 00:55:03   #
What do you mean “Not Real?”
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Dec 24, 2017 11:51:28   #
I quit CR for several unknowable reviews, but when they rated a top notch bicycle the worst because the brakes were too good, I knew they weren’t qualified to review many items.
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Dec 4, 2017 10:01:12   #
lsimpkins wrote:
User friendly and "best" are almost mutually exclusive when it comes to post production software. Many will consider the Photoshop/Lightroom combination the best, but it comes with a steep learning curve. It is what I use, but I am still a neophyte when it comes to PS.


I am a Nikon and Mac user and a total newbie to Post Processing. I have the Nikon program and can muddle my way through but I don’t really understand it fully.
I looked at a trial version of Affinity and was impressed.

Then found a trial of Luminar 2018 and the veil was lifted. Bought it and had my first photo adjusted in 20 minutes. Luminar is full of “presets” and you can see what each does quickly. Adjustments seem to be much faster in Luminar and the presets can be fine turned further.

Love this program! I am sure there are “better” systems, but for now this is my solution.
Best of luck in your search.
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