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Apr 16, 2017 10:50:55   #
bull drink water wrote:
BULLS**T, check the encyclopedia for a full definition of socialism. most features of the "new deal" have socialist origins.

Then point out the countries that were more capitalistic and less Socialistic than America.
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Apr 15, 2017 15:48:36   #
dljen wrote:
Geez Steve, I notice on this board, it's the cons who talk horribly and more h**efully than anyone. They have, by far, the most vulgar vocabulary of either party. Funny, they're usually the ones who proclaim that they're christians too. I answer to no god, yet don't talk like them.

You might be right about this board. But that means you are talking about a few dozen people in the World. It is not much of a representative sample.
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Apr 15, 2017 15:25:23   #
Keenan wrote:
Yes Steve, in the more extreme Christian fundamentalist communities, children are indeed taught to h**e. You would know this if you were familiar with Christianity in many of the bible belt states.
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"H**e or Be H**ed: How I Survived Right-Wing Extremism"

This is my story. Or maybe it’s my dad’s story. Ultimately, it’s a story about my anger and embarrassment over who I was and how I was raised in an environment that didn’t value empathy, honesty and caring. I am angry and embarrassed that I still struggle with the impact of my upbringing. I am angry and embarrassed that on some level, I still want my dad to be proud of me.

Some might call the brainwashing I experienced a form of child abuse. For decades I thought I had a somewhat normal childhood. No child should experience the paranoia, despair and isolation that Dad instilled in me. No child should be taught by radical right-wing American extremists that the only options in this life are to “h**e or be h**ed.”


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/11/1559207/-H**e-or-Be-H**ed-How-I-Survived-Right-Wing-Extremism

The following is an excerpt from the new book 'H**e or Be H**ed' by JG Daniel (2016):

Preface K**l ‘em All

I was twelve years-old, lying face down on my belly in the prone position in front of our old double-wide trailer which was situated in the woods of Western Washington. The nearest neighbor was nearly a half mile away. As usual it was wet outside and the ground was cold and soggy. The muddy driveway had a bend in it about fifty yards away, where at any moment the enemy could be coming right at me. In my hands was one of Dad’s converted, full auto AR-15’s and it was loaded.

The excited warning coming out of his mouth was, “Russian jeeps coming up the driveway!” This meant pull the trigger. I held my breath. I was poised on edge, my finger on the trigger, ready to fire. “K**l ‘em all! K**l ‘em all!” he yelled. Dad asked if I k**led ‘em all. I said “I did. I k**led them all.” The thirty round bullet clip was empty. Dad was happy. And so was I.

I was thirteen when I wrote my first “Letter to the Editor” to the local newspaper. It was my patriotic duty to correct the editorial board of The News Tribune regarding what form of government we had in the United States. Often the newspaper used the word “democracy” to describe America’s form of government and not only was this wrong, it was misleading. Democracies lead to dictatorships I was taught, and we were being duped by the media on a daily basis.

The United States was a “constitutional republic” - a government based on the principals of laws and it was my absolute duty to inform them of this. My letter was published.

The Editorial Board and all of their readers now knew the t***h. Dad was happy. And so was I.

I took a copy of my published letter to school and showed it to my friends. You can imagine how awesome my classmates must have thought I was. I glowingly showed it to some of my teachers as well. Yes, I was that kid.

A year later I decided that I wanted to be a mercenary after I graduated so I could k**l c****es and dictators to ensure that America would never perish. I revealed this in my high school Careers class. My report discussed the pros and cons of k*****g people for a living. The only struggle I had with writing the report had to do with whether or not I could k**l anyone. I concluded I could if the price was right. K*****g a liberal would be easy. I got a C- on my report. Dad was happy. And so was I.

It was only a couple of years later when I received my formal “training” during the summer of 1985 at a John Birch Society summer camp located at the YMCA Campgrounds in Lake Wenatchee, WA., about three hours east of Seattle. I would be one among hundreds of teenagers sent to your not-so-average summer camp to learn the secrets of the Grand C*******t Conspiracy. I would also learn how my own high school teachers were trying to brainwash me into becoming a liberal like them and then eventually a full-on c****e.

The John Birch Society summer camp featured daily lectures about how rock and roll was going to make me love Satan and how the United Nations was created to take away our freedoms and ultimately destroy America with their New World Order, among other topics. I was taught that democrats, liberals, bankers, the government, celebrities and the media were all working together to trick us into becoming c*******t s***es. Most importantly, however, I was taught that the John Birch Society was the only organization which could ultimately save America from the c*******t threat and preserve our freedoms. I learned they were our only hope to make America great again. I didn’t believe everything I was taught, but a lot of it I did.

In a nutshell, the John Birch Society is by far the most radical anti-c*******t and anti-government organization on the planet. It was created by a few wealthy Americans who wish to preserve their wealth and their interpretation of the American Dream by putting the fear of totalitarian s***ery and misery into the hearts and minds of gullible and illogical American fools.

While other kids were having fun in the early eighties, I was stressing out that America was going to be overrun by c*******ts. Educating friends and others with the t***h was awkward. To keep my mouth shut meant that I was “sitting on the fence,” as Dad would say, and that meant I was assisting the Conspiracy in its quest. Most American teenagers aren’t that concerned about the end of the world so my warnings often fell on deaf ears. Many times I wouldn’t say anything just to try to fit in and be somewhat normal, though when I did this I always felt like I was letting Dad down.

During these years of my upbringing we were prepping before they called it “prepping.” We were readying for a fight - an invasion from enemy troops, martial law, nuclear or chemical war or some other disastrous threat. It didn’t matter what the fight was or how or where it was coming from – we knew that the s**t was going to hit the fan real soon and we’d rather fight and die than become c*******ts.

Dad always said we’d be lucky to survive another year before something would destroy America. He’s been saying this every year for as long I can remember and of course still does to this day. For most of my early teenage years, due to the brainwashing and my naivety, I struggled against allowing myself to have any reasonable thoughts as I shared Dad’s sentiments.

Dad was the smartest person I’d ever known up to this point in my life, and he said the t***h was always hidden, twisted or covered up by liberals, c*******ts, the government or the media. No matter what obvious and reasonable facts were presented in any given situation, Dad always sided with the extreme right-wing conservative stance - even if it wasn’t true. The t***h was irrelevant. Wh**ever he was told by the John Birch Society, the National Rifle Association or any other extreme right-wing organization was the absolute t***h in his mind. He’d read their propaganda like a preacher reads his bible and nothing could ever be questioned.

If the John Birch Society said there were five hundred million Chinese soldiers hiding near the US/Mexico border getting ready to invade us, he’d believe it and would be warning you about it, without any proof or evidence. If you didn’t believe him, he’d think you were an i***t. His mind has been lost for decades to the propaganda of the extreme right which seeks nothing more than to scare the s**t out of all of us by using conspiracy theories and deceptive ideas.

Dad’s a confused Vietnam Vet who h**ed the war and our government for sending him over there. He’s only alive because he came back to say goodbye to his dying father. While he was home his platoon back in Vietnam got wiped out. The Army didn’t send him back to Vietnam. It’s a horrible story that I can’t even begin to imagine. As war protests increased at home with the long hairs and intellectuals taking the lead, and with Dad’s unfounded hatred for hippies, smart people and anyone who didn’t share his thoughts, he began to defend the war. His failure to comprehend that these people were protesting the senseless deaths of his buddies is yet another manifestation of his hatred-driven actions.

Dad’s had a serious case of survivor’s guilt since the war, which has shaped his miserable existence. Many times when I was a kid, he’d tell me that he wished he was dead or wished he’d never married my mom. I always felt bad when he’d say that. I used to believe that I was the reason he was so lost and felt his life was wasted. This was in the eighties. He’s still alive today, still miserable and still wasting away.

I’ve tried so hard to make him happy that it consumes me. I’ve overachieved with most of the things that I’ve attempted in order to let him know that he was in some way successful with me. Making Dad proud of me has been the main motivator in my existence. My complete feeling of being a failure to him, however, came with the realization that there’s nothing I can do to make him proud of me. Anything I do that doesn’t replicate his own miserable existence is a waste of time in his eyes. By not being him, I’ve failed him.

He has accomplished little, if anything at all, in dealing with his survivor’s guilt from that stupid war. That, combined with his deep hatred for our government and his own personal shame, made him a horrific father and person. He was a scary, psychopathic husband with a wife who feared him and was careful not to do anything to upset him.

His distorted view of the world, much less America, is based upon his closed-minded fundamental belief that “they” are out to get us. “They” is everything and anything that has to do with destroying America: b****s, Jews, gays, c*******ts, socialists, Marxists, humanists, liberals, democrats, environmentalists, educators, equal rights proponents, foreigners, people of color, rich people, happy people or anyone else who contradicted him. His anger made him a natural fit with the r****t, right-wing conspiracy-minded militant nut jobs who believed Joseph McCarthy to be an honorable American while John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. were c****es set out to destroy America.

Dad is a poor man who h**es welfare and government, yet would be homeless without his disability pension, Social Security check, VA benefits and the under-the-table cash he receives for leasing out his property. Those who truly know him and aren’t like him see him as a self-righteous, racially bigoted man who lies, c***ts and steals and is the biggest hypocrite they’ve ever known. He’s a miserable person and has been since the day I was born.

My dad h**es me. He trained me to be just like him. He h**es me because I’m not like him. He h**es me because I’m open-minded and compassionate. He h**es me because I don’t h**e others. He h**es me because by failing to program me he has assisted the C*******t Conspiracy in its quest to o*******w America.

I’m not my dad. I’m an American and a veteran and not totally proud of either.

Mom says to me, “your father loves you, but just doesn’t know how to show it.” She’s been saying this for decades. She only says this because deep inside she knows that he’s never loved anyone including her, except perhaps his mother and Claymore, his dead Rottweiler. Mother is in complete denial that she wasted over forty years with a man who never loved her. By claiming “he just doesn’t know how to show it,” even years after divorcing him, she is still lying for him, to herself and me.

Since I was seventeen, I’ve worked hard to not be anything like my dad. I’ve countered much of the ideology and negativity that was ingrained in me, but it’s been a struggle overcoming the lack of reasonable and honest judgment that was omitted from my upbringing.

Had I stayed the course, been loyal to his ideals, there’s no question in my mind that I’d likely be dead or would have demonstrated a similar moronic and catastrophic terror like that of Timothy McVeigh, the “good son,” for example. If I hadn’t wrenched myself out of the deep end, I imagine I would’ve had some significant role with the Tea Party and the current wave of right-wing extremism eroding and trying to take over this country. These are the only scenarios in my mind where I can think my father would actually be proud of me.

This is my story. Or maybe it’s my dad’s story. Ultimately, it’s a story about my anger and embarrassment over who I was and how I was raised in an environment that didn’t value empathy, honesty and caring. I am angry and embarrassed that I still struggle with the impact of my upbringing. I am angry and embarrassed that on some level, I still want my dad to be proud of me.

Some might call the brainwashing I experienced a form of child abuse. For decades I thought I had a somewhat normal childhood. No child should experience the paranoia, despair and isolation that Dad instilled in me. No child should be taught by radical right-wing American extremists that the only options in this life are to “h**e or be h**ed.”
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Ya know, in a country of 320 million people you can easily find anecdotal exceptions to the rule. I could show you Buddhists, Pacifists, and Peaceniks who have murdered people. Nobody with a lick of sense believes that Christians as a whole are taught to h**e other people. If you want to see real h**e, just go to any news site covering the death of a prominent Conservative and look at the comments section. The Liberals comments are inevitably an orgy of loathing and repugnance.
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Apr 15, 2017 14:22:02   #
Keenan wrote:
Do American children who are raised in a Christian fundamentalist extremist community and are trained to h**e non-Christians/liberals/immigrants/wh**ever deserve to be murdered?

Christian children are taught to h**e? You obviously have not had much contact with Christianity.
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Apr 15, 2017 11:19:36   #
bull drink water wrote:
we've depended on a combo of capitalism and socialism for our survival for the last 85 years.

Wrong. The U.S. has been one of the least Socialistic places in the World up until eight years ago.
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Apr 15, 2017 11:17:40   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Many American millennials seem to be drawn to socialism. They came out in big numbers for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 p**********l primaries. They rail against capitalism on their college campuses. They wear Che Guevara t-shirts to signal their socialist virtue.

I know a lot about socialism. I live in Rio de Janeiro, and I work throughout Brazil as a journalist for a popular magazine.

In the early 2000s, Brazil’s economy was growing rapidly. The government had enacted economic and monetary reforms and divested holdings in some state-run companies, giving the private sector more room to breathe. Inflation—a chronic problem in Brazil—was dramatically reduced. Foreign investors poured into the country, eager to catch a portion of our expanding economy. The future seemed promising.

But today, our economy is in shambles, unemployment and debt are massive, and powerful politicians are being investigated for involvement in the largest scandals of fraud and corruption in the country's history.

What happened?

In 2002, a socialist politician named Lula da Silva ran for the presidency. He was a socialist, but painted himself as a modern, cool kind of socialist. He would be the politician who would heal national divisions and unite everyone. He even had a nickname: “Lulinha paz e amor,” which means "Little Lula peace and love" in Portuguese.

But the old message about the need for income redistribution to decrease ine******y was still there. The media, academic elite and celebrities assured Brazilians that by t***sferring the money from the rich to the poor, the poor could finally be richer. But the only ones who really got rich were Lula and his corporate and political friends. It only got worse under his successor, Dilma Rousseff.

The socialists increased government spending, deficits, and debt. They called it a “stimulus.” They increased the minimum wage and the benefits of social programs. They called it “social justice.” They increased the salaries and retirement benefits of the civil service. They called it “investing in the future.” They handed out thousands of jobs in the government and state-owned companies as favors to their political allies. And they called it “good governance.”

It worked for a while. Socialism always works at the beginning. But government spending just kept going up, and then Lula’s socialist paradise fell apart and the economy fell with it. The outcome: from 2008 to 2015, government spending grew nearly four times as fast as tax revenue.

The economy shrank 3.8 percent in 2015, the worst result in 25 years. That same year, a World Bank survey found Brazil’s economy to be one of the world’s worst. Out of 189 countries, we were the 16th hardest place to open a business, the 60th most difficult nation in which to register property, and the 12th most complex place to pay taxes.

Economically and morally, the almost 15 years of socialist policies have greatly harmed Brazil. We also remain among the world's leaders in murder and robbery, and we rank near the bottom of industrialized nations in terms of education and health care.

Americans take it for granted that they can be born into the lower class and reach the middle or even upper class. Many Brazilians take it for granted that they can’t.

But finally some things are starting to change. There may be reason for hope. Today, more and more Brazilians see that capitalism and limited government are the only way forward.

Thankfully for Brazil, Lula has been charged in several lawsuits for corruption, involvement in a criminal organization, influence peddling, money laundering, and obstruction of justice. Rousseff was impeached in 2016 for falsifying the government’s finances and illegally using money from state-owned banks to run the government. This crisis prompted the new government to freeze federal spending, reduce the government’s role in state-owned companies, and to encourage some of the massive federal workforce to resign.

No one knows whether these basic measures will be enough to rescue Brazil economically. T***hfully, the damage has been so extensive, it may take decades for the country to recover.

But if we do, it won’t be socialism that saves us.

American millennials, take note.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/foreign-affairs/how-socialism-ruined-my-country
Many American millennials seem to be drawn to soci... (show quote)

Pretty eye-opening, Eye Saw You. I didn't know about Brazil's situation.
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Apr 15, 2017 11:10:46   #
SharpShooter wrote:
You're right, we are not playing now....., we are seriously bumbling along now to the point of having become the laughing stock of the world!!
I wonder if those people are taught to h**e their own kind like you and the other wingbutts here are???
Taught by your dads I imagine!!
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Laughing stock of the World?? Where have you been? Trump is getting praise from leaders all over the World, including from the l*****t European Governments.
http://thehill.com/policy/international/327749-world-leaders-praise-us-attack-on-syria-while-assad-allies-fume

Even the Socialists admit the World was on board with Trump.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/15/pers-a15.html

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Apr 14, 2017 19:47:05   #
SharpShooter wrote:
My guess is the bad hombres probably report directly to PUTOS, and if they don't, they just make up a number!!!
Gotta up the Approval Ratings, coming up on 100 days!!! LoL
I'm sure we'll see more military action in the first 100 days. Gotta look busy since nothing else happened!!
Gonna be a huge dazzle dazzle at 100 days.
If PUTOS doesn't have lots to point at, he'll have to bring back the grieving widow Dog & Pony show again!!! LoL

Who is PUTOS. Is that Mickey Mouse's friend?
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Apr 14, 2017 18:41:37   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
How do you know how many thugs were k**led?

They count the number of negative vaginal swabs on the local goat herds.
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Apr 14, 2017 17:57:32   #
mwalsh wrote:
The MOAB was likely used as much for messaging aimed at certain despots as it was for tactical execution.

Wouldn't it be easier just to send a text?? Or maybe a tweet? (Just kidding)
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Apr 14, 2017 11:57:38   #
Wrangler wrote:
North Korean official blames Trump for rising tensions on Korean Peninsula
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/north-korean-official-blames-trump-for-rising-tensions-on-korean-peninsula.html

They develop and test nukes, threaten to attack US mainland, threaten US allies and then blame President Trump for rising tensions!?! That little fat bowl headed leader is nuts!!!

Yes, the U.S. is always to blame for violence and terror throughout the World!
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Apr 14, 2017 11:56:13   #
Jakebrake wrote:
It is refreshing, after 8 years of cowardice and pacifism, we now have a POTUS willing to confront these little tin horn despot dictators, and the 'War on Terror'.

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Apr 14, 2017 11:55:09   #
Of course we could have, if they were so kind as to line themselves up in a single-file formation in front of Army Headquarters.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:53:01   #
ken hubert wrote:
Maybe Mooshelle whipped one out bigger then his,lol!

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Apr 13, 2017 16:52:13   #
idaholover wrote:
He saw his wife in the nude? Jus speculatin

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