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Blurryeyed wrote:
A mish Mash of emotion and defense of his own deplorable actions followed by a highly conflicted view of politics and our society's condition....
In no way will I agree with this man or excuse what he did, but I will say that his manifesto shows that despite his lunacy, he was an intelligent and articulate man....
First half is his defense for his actions, followed with the excuse it would seem that he was not only getting even and exposing the corruption of the LAPD, but that he was killing to demonstrate the ineffectiveness of our gun policies.... the latter part of his manifesto goes in to politics, and finally he seems to offer an opinion on many different influential politicians and celebrity types and the contributions good and bad to our society.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/feature?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8983607
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whoa,,, you just opened a can of worms...
only thing I have to say is, I wonder if LAPD will really ever openly review the initial event that started this domino effect?
okay I have two things to say. Being retired now with extensive medical and military background. We as a whole all need to be aware of our surroundings. These Kids that are coming home from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Africa and other places have been through h@ll and back. I know its a different military than it was back in the 60s, 70s, & 80s. But I have to wonder why so many of them coming home proclaim they do not believe in God as Chris Dorner said in his manifesto.
just a thought........... I wont post another thing to thios topic.
be safe out there
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CJ, I am sorry but I fail to see the difference that you do between those of us that were in Viet Nam and the troops coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan today. Both were wars fought based on lies from our respective Presidents, both were fought for financial gain of a few. The one difference I see is that when we came home from Viet Nam we were spit on and vilified and when they get home today they are celebrated. I do it, the celebration, myself because it's someones son or daughter coming home.
I don't recall hearing the first one disclaim his belief in God, perhaps you are trying to transfer your beliefs and credit them to our youth coming home. Just thinking, maybe the difference I noted in the treatment of the vets isn't so different after all thanks to your dishonest statement above.
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Well finally there is something that you and I can agree on... I do believe that our returning troops should be honored and that our politicians are less than worthy of the respect that we should and hopefully do show our returning soldiers... These young people have demonstrated a stronger moral character than most of our fellow citizens, our politicians on the other hand... not so much... I do not celebrate these young folks because they are sons and daughters, I celebrate them because they honor us by risking all in the service of their country which they still believe in, I just wish that our politicians could demonstrate even a modicum of the same selfless service.
I am so humbled by the vets I see returning from war, physically damaged and impaired for life yet saying that they have no regrets for their service to our country...
I also respect that you recognize how differently our soldiers were treated upon their return from Vietnam. I too recall their being spit upon, as if it was their choice to put us into and prosecute that ill fated war. There are those here who would deny that ever happened.
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I knew I should have not posted to this one....
Ted45, you said what I should have said, I didn't choose my words carefully before I hit the send button.
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CJ is sort of right in his statement about the current Vets not believing. Most of the ones I have spoken with do not believe in the church. The institution has become as corrupt as any major corporation, in their eyes. Many still have a believe in God but on their own terms, not according to the dictates of a specific man-made church. There is no reference, just talk to them..
Over the last 15 years we have taken in vets into our home. I did not word correctly regarding believing in God. Its the institution. Actually at this moment I am waiting for a young man to arrive who is having problems and issues coping with John Doe public since his return from 3 tours in Iraq and 1 tour in Afghanistan. He has been with us before and rather than resort to the VA flight deck, he comes to my house where and when if he wants to talk he can freely as well as pray, talk about God, talk about anything and not have any repercussions or be labeled as a racist against muslims. Yes this does happen at our VAs across the country when you have a muslin, Pakistani, or other far easterner talking to our troops about dailey life.
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CJ, I am sorry but I fail to see the difference that you do between those of us that were in Viet Nam and the troops coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan today. Both were wars fought based on lies from our respective Presidents, both were fought for financial gain of a few. The one difference I see is that when we came home from Viet Nam we were spit on and vilified and when they get home today they are celebrated. I do it, the celebration, myself because it's someones son or daughter coming home.
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I agree with you regarding both wars and the reasons. Here is something to think about though,,,, how would you have felt when you came home from Nam went to the VA and had (now this one I really have to word correctly), a NV treating you for medical or mental treatments. That's just wrong isn't it? These kids coming home today have their own battles to cope with inside without having to deal with the VA employing muslin, Pakistani, or other far easterner. But ya know it happens every day.
I lost my kids, one to an auto accident one in Iraq 3 weeks before he was due to be coming home. I ride proudly with the Patriot Guard and I am proud that I served my duty in the military and my son, as well as my significant other who was by the way in RVN 1st/7th Air Cav.
So please don't question my knowledge of past war and present war vets and how they are treated. I see it every day and live with it every day.
I knew I shouldn't have posted to this topic.
All is well, I hope I didn't piss anyone off and I am not ticked about anything. I just wished to get a point across and I didn't do a very good job at it.
I'll try one more time,,,, My point is 1.) I wondered if LAPD will openly investigate the charges that started all this with Dorner....
It may have been a trigger for him to go haywire. I do not agree at all with what he did, just saying it may just have been a trigger point.
My second point, these kids coming home today, other than being spit on, things thrown at them, it may not be happening in the same manor today and in fact its the VietNam vets that are making sure that they are never treated that way. What is happening is our righteous government is employing these same people we go to take out, help out, wipe out, in our Veterans Administration hospitals to take care of our troops returning..... If you even think I am off pint on this, please go visit your local VA hospital and look closely.
Love you guys and did not mean to stir up so much contravosy