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Oct 15, 2017 22:57:04   #
bob fleer wrote:
The event went smoothly shot in raw and jpeg went back to my hose later and looked at photos everyone is happy. Going to print a few for him.

Thanks to all for encouragement and technical input.




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Oct 15, 2017 19:08:35   #
Exposure Compensation has to change one of the three variables though. You have to keep that in mind and understand what is going to change and why with EC... You can do the same thing in Manual by setting the ISO and over or under exposing using shutter speed or aperture or the combination of both...

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Todd Ferguson

kdogg wrote:
I am trying a new technique I picked up on this forum. When shooting BIF I set the camera to manual and set my shutter speed and F stopwhere I want them. I then set ISO on auto. Also use a mono pod with a ball head. Just started doing this last week last week. Seems to have increased my keeper rate but I must admit there is more PP involved. I cannot access exposure compensation with this set up on my Rebel T5. Not to worry though Have a used 7D coming this week and from what I've read you can use EC with this set up. BIF are addicting, something I never shot in the film days. Shoot and have FUN!
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Oct 15, 2017 19:04:05   #
No, not mandatory at all. Wise perhaps...but some feel it is just not necessary. All we can do is try to lay out the various pros and cons. The ultimate decision is the shooters if shooting for free...

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Todd Ferguson

mas24 wrote:
There are some cameras that don't shoot RAW, such as the Nikon Bridge camera (P900) and others. And some Sony Pocket cameras, even with 20 megapixels. I own one of them. JPEG only. So, one should have a camera that shoots RAW, or RAW+JPEG. I have one of them too. As this being done as a free favor to a friend, is RAW really mandatory? I have given free, SD cards to friends, shot only in JPEG, and they have been quite happy with the results.
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Oct 15, 2017 18:35:41   #
An interesting idea HSS... But I believe it would take away a lot of power from the Speedlite because the HSS is pulsing the flash very rapidly. The question is whether the modifier could bring some of the focused light back enough to get a decent exposure. I believe the distance would be limited a lot and overheating might be an issue if you want to fire frames close together. I might have to give it a try this week just for grins and see what happens with the MagMod gear...

One might have to bump up ISO too... what sort of distance are we trying to get the light to reach?

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Todd Ferguson

SharpShooter wrote:
Bill, have your anyone else done any experimenting with high speed sync(HSS)?
In my mind seems like it may work for a bust. Maybe depends on how far the subject is.
SS
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Oct 15, 2017 18:12:25   #
billnikon wrote:
It is nearly impossible to anticipate the actions of a bird landing with a stick in it's mouth to hand it off to a female. I can only shoot at 10 fps, if I had a Canon, I could shoot at 14 fps. I wish I could shoot at 20 fps. Yes, you can get lucky every once in a while anticipating with single shots, but your success rate is lower than shooting faster. I have been doing this for over 20 years and FPS is everything IF your looking for that ONE LOOK, ONE EXPRESSION, ONE MOMENT FROZEN IN TIME.


Just like it is hard to anticipate a nitrous backfire or a motor explosion in a drag car. But the point is to know your action and anticipate when you can. When I hear the revs come up on the motor and when I start to see the rear tire wrinkle I know it is time to start squeezing the shutter release. Ten frames is good and 14 may or may not be better. I can shoot 14 but find I can get just about as good of results in drag racing shooting 6-7 fps. Of course if one is using Speedlites or other lights it is not possible to keep up and I think it might be a distraction to the drivers if you could. I guess in theory there are battery powered lights that might recycle fast enough if you want to spend the money to buy them and can get enough light at the speed they can recycle. Do you ever think of just shooting video and pulling stills out of that? Or is that just another set of issues in shooting birds?

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 15:20:48   #
Bill, do you know which Canon focus mode is closest to group auto focus?

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Todd Ferguson

billnikon wrote:
Todd, with group auto focus the eye of the bird is in focus no matter how near or far. That's what is so great about GROUP AUTO FOCUS. Mind you, I try to get all five spots on the bird, which is not all that hard to do. I used to practice panning on moving cars hours at a time until I had them centered almost every time. And 6.3 gives a lot more DOF than say 2.8. I find that at 6.3 most all of the 4 foot wing span of a great blue heron is in focus from one tip to the other.
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Oct 15, 2017 15:18:07   #
billnikon wrote:
10 Frames a second is a LOT, LOT faster than just pressing the shutter as fast as you can. When birds land and take off timing is of the essence. I would miss too much using my finger to press the shutter each time. I am happy it works for you though.


And 10 frames a second is still only a frame every tenth of a second. So, from my experience shooting action it is still understand the action you are shooting and also be able to anticipate the action, movement and direction of movement. As a simple example birds take off and land in the direction they are facing...not the opposite direction I hope... I have read that they take off and land into the wind...but that may apply to larger birds more than song birds...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 14:21:41   #
burkphoto wrote:
*With the right post-processing software and settings* the white balance of your camera DOES transfer to the initial view of an image when you open it for post-processing.

In other words, If I open a raw image in my camera manufacturer's software, or if I set the Camera Calibration in Lightroom to the same Picture Style I set at the camera, the software will correctly interpret the EXIF data from the JPEG preview stuffed inside the raw file wrapper. It will display the image using very close to the same parameters as the camera used (or would have used) for a JPEG saved there. That INCLUDES application of the white balance set in the camera.

THAT'S why I always recommend folks get the WB as close to right as possible at the camera. If you perform a Custom White Balance at the camera, you can make minor tweaks in post-production, because the initial view of the image will be close to perfect (ASSUMING you have a properly calibrated and profiled monitor). This is most helpful when you are in an environment where the light is unchanging. It is also most helpful to those who plan to record JPEGs and do NO post-processing.

If you're not using a ColorChecker Passport and its subsequent workflow, including a proper white balance target in a test exposure of each new scene, at the camera, can be used to achieve "click white balance" in post-production. Record raw images, and the click balance tool will get you very accurate white balance, using this method.
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Oct 15, 2017 13:43:29   #
On my Canon it is not ignored but is captured as the WB set. It is also displayed that way on the screen on the back to when the embedded JPEG is displayed. If I shoot at 2500 Kelvin vs 8000 Kelvin the difference is very notable as displayed on the rear of the camera. The Canon also applies the active Picture Style to the rear display image. I usually shoot with he Faithful Picture Style when I shoot and in RAW. I will use Auto WB or set it close to what conditions I am shooting. I can change it as much as I want in PP but it will start out as shot.

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Todd Ferguson

TheShoe wrote:
If I remember correctly, White Balance is one of those settings that is ignored when shooting Raw, so it must be corrected in PP. It stands to reason that the camera's processing must guess the correct WB when not shooting Raw. Sometimes it gets it right; others, not. WB is always one of the first things I check and adjust when processing my images. Here is an example of a one-click adjustment, no fine tuning, of the first picture using DxO OpticsPro 11.
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Oct 15, 2017 12:38:59   #
AK Grandpa wrote:
When shooting family/grandkids, I shoot raw + jpg . . . That way I can use them on social media immediately and/or give them to my family members. But I still have the raw file in case I want to post process and print or post.



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Oct 15, 2017 12:38:15   #
And if you want to set up two setting to toggle between it is handy if your camera allows you to define custom shooting modes. My Canon does and I use that capability...

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Todd Ferguson

rmalarz wrote:
Whenever I've been confronted with a situation such as you describe, I'll meter something stationary in the same light as the bird would be. My hand works well held over my head and metered. That would simulate the shaded side of the bird in flight. As long as the lighting is similar to that on your hand, there will be no difference in the exposure between your hand and the bird.

If the lighting is changing, broken clouds blowing by, take two meter readings. One when your hand is in shade, the other when in sun. Remember those two settings. Then just switch between the two depending on the lighting, as there is little time to do much else.
--Bob
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Oct 15, 2017 12:36:03   #
RichieC wrote:
Raw + JPEG is a sound strategy.

If there is a particular important or valuable image that would benefit from retouching and or enhancement, then the raw file would be superior than working with a jpeg. While a JPEG can be improved, working with a raw file is essentially like re-exposing the image. Because a raw file is a digital negative with much more image information by a factor in it, pixels that appear the same color, aren't, but the difference may be very subtle… this subtle difference can be accessed by soon who knows what they are doing, to improve an image with detail that a jpeg simply no longer contains. This isn't opinion, this is indisputable mathematical fact. Of course it depends on if it was properly exposed to begin with… a poor image is a poor image, but a poor RAW file is way more fixable that the JPEG version.

As ALL cameras take raw files, then apply automatic, irreversible adjustments and then compress the image using the pixel averaging JPEG algorithm. So include it, stating they are duplicates of the JPEG he can see, and that if any warrant retouching… the digital negatives are available for a professional to work with.

This leaves the option open… perhaps never to be used… but having JPEG & RAW files represent a value added exchange at no extra cost for you, if the need should ever arise.
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Oct 15, 2017 12:31:52   #
Einreb92 wrote:
Thanks Todd, for your clear evaluation of the weakest link in terms of my equipment. The lens does a fine job in better light, and I agree better glass would eliminate at least one problem. I always shoot RAW and have a suite of software to use to work on images. I have no qualms about cropping and am glad I posted a full image so you could weigh in. Thanks again!


Your welcome...
and get a DOF app and play with it... it is instructive and in part explains why we don't need F/1.4 800mm lenses...aside from the huge size and weight they would have to be...
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Oct 15, 2017 12:31:08   #
And if shot at 30 feet with those settings the DOF would be approximately 0.15 feet...
But we don't know the distance....

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Todd Ferguson

SkyKing wrote:
...this was posted on featheredphotography this morning...it’s a blog by Ron Dudley...I like this website because he posts his camera settings for each shot...
1/3200, f/6.3, ISO 640, Canon 7D Mark II, Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM + EF 1.4 III Extender, not baited, set up or called in
http://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/belted-kingfisher-2663b-ron-dudley-768x549.jpg
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Oct 15, 2017 12:27:23   #
The meter will try to make everything medium, 18% gray. So it will try to make very white or very dark objects medium gray. It will underexpose the white to make it gray and it will over expose the black to make it gray. For a Snow shot you can usually meter and then overexpose 1-2 stops. I do think camera metering algorithms are getting better at metering at least on the higher end cameras. Just my opinion.

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Todd Ferguson

Tom M wrote:
Shouldn't that be the other way around? If shooting a white bird, shouldn't you go (-) on the compensation to keep from overexposing and blowing out the white detail, and if the bird is dark with a brighter background (backlit) shouldn't you go (+) on the compensation to show more of the detail on the darker bird, rather than just a silhouette? I could be wrong.
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