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Apr 7, 2012 20:04:06   #
llindstrand wrote:
I am now "in my room" I had no intention of starting a fight and will try not to do so in the future. Can I now be excused?
Swede


Yes dear - the world still loves you - here's a Popsicle, now go play with your friends.
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Apr 7, 2012 20:02:23   #
MT Shooter wrote:
There is no "embedded" JPG in a RAW file. When viewing RAW images in camera, the camera creates a small JPG for viewing, and then discards it when the image is closed. Notice when you transfer a RAW image to computer, there is no JPG accompanying it. (Unless you choose shooting in RAW+JPG, then a JPG is also recorded)


I'm having a hard time searching for anything on this. I guess I thought if my camera shoots RAW it displays RAW.
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Apr 7, 2012 19:48:12   #
Okay children - this is your dad - go to your rooms, think about what you said and when you are ready come out and give each other a hug. Nuf said.

fstop22 wrote:
Not your post either and If You Noticed I was Responding to llindstrand's Post and Not You.. Later........
silver wrote:
fstop22 wrote:
Your missing the point. The point is you don't have to slow down and use a Tripod. Desired DOF can be gotten with Handheld shots. I only posted examples of Varied In Focus shots that were handheld, large aperture, fast shutter speeds, low ISO and On camera Flash. The bee was actually shot at F/14, the reason for shallow DOF has to do with my distance to the bee, about 10 inches. Try photographing the face of a wasp with a tripod in a matter of just minutes after walking up to some cactus flowers. I was able to with these handheld shots and Not a Tripod.
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fstop22 wrote:
Misconception for many people. I handheld my shots and will compete with anyone that uses a tripod outside shooting flowers with high f/stops.. In the real world the Wind Blows and so do the flowers. I fought this for a week several months ago, and no one even mention using manual and higher shutter speed to capture the flower. If you use a tripod and slow down the shutter speed then you have a Blurry Photo. Up shutter speed, up your Aperture and Pop the flash up, it's that easy and it can and is done Handheld
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donrent wrote:
Been thinking about this for a week or so.... In so many postings of flowers they seem to be out (soft) of focus.... Is it possible, because of the actual softness of texture that most flowers have, these new fangled auto focused cameras have a problem of true focus ??? Just a though....


The most common problem with this result is because people insist on doing this kind of photography hand held and hand holding is not that great. There are too many variables when hand holding. Just pressing the shutter release button causes camera movement. Using manual settings puts you in control, not the camera and it forces you to think about what you are doing and it also slows you down. Be patent and think about what you are doing and you will be a better photographer.
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If the photos you posted are the desired image you wanted--then by all means go ahead and hand hold your camera. The problem is that by potentially upping the ISO for instance, you bring in digital noise; by opening up the lens you loose depth of field as in your bee. His head is exquisite and crisp; however his legs are blurred. I used to hand hold my camera but I am not as steady as I used to be. I am also probably shooting for a different purpose than you are and need depth of field and a very crisp image on all its various layers. Thus I do things differently. For you, if you are happy with the images that you have then it is your decision and it is not my place to judge on it.
Swede
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First of all this is not your post and what I was responding to was the first post about images of flowers being soft. I have done a lot of this kind of photography and quite frankly I am not interested in getting into the "Hand Held" discussion. If thats what you want to do by all means do it. Also one other thing, lenses have a sweet spot that is 2-3 stops from the maximum opening of the lens and when you go beyond this setting the lens quality actually starts to degrade, this is called diffraction. Have fun shooting, thats what it should be about no matter how you do it.
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Apr 7, 2012 18:34:14   #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
rob s wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
Pam Williams wrote:
I have a photo in Jpeg that I want to put in raw. But I don't know how to do this. Can anyone help me?
Thank you, Pam


What you are asking cannot be done. RAW can be converted to JPG, but not the other way around.

I think however the better question is What Are You Trying To Do?


True but ......... Any jpeg can be opened as a RAW image in Photoshop Elements, (or Photoshop I assume). It may allow you to recover some detail more easily. You have nothing to lose by trying this so give it go and compare it with your best efforts with normal editing.
Good luck.
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I always open jpegs in Adobe Camera RAW in CS5. I have it set as my default. It's a lot easier to adjust images that way. I can do batch adjusting and croping and save a tif. I tried saving a jpeg in Photoshop Raw, which I didn't know existed until this thread, but it was extremely corrupted.
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I may be wrong - so explain this - if a JPG file does not contain all the data a RAW file does how can you honestly call a JPG converted to RAW a real RAW file? Its like saying I only bought half the groceries on the list, but magically when I get home everything is in the bag.
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Apr 7, 2012 18:31:15   #
mdorn wrote:
St3v3M wrote:
If you were a painter and I gave you a choice between a box of crayons with three colors and a bit of memory or a box with every color under the Sun which would you choose?


If I were a painter, I wouldn't be using crayons at all. :-)


Fine - Artist...
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Apr 7, 2012 13:29:57   #
RonD wrote:
Some have asked. "would you rather be beautiful and see everyone else as ugly or be ugly and see everyone else as beautiful?" or as Garrison Keillor might say, "everything is here, wish you were beautiful"


You see the world as you wish to see it therefore you make your own Heaven or Hell.
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Apr 7, 2012 13:28:49   #
Allegro23 wrote:
Yes I understand the competition. No I haven't used either Canon or Nikon. I have had 2 Olympus cameras and a great Panasonic Video camera, also a HP Digital camera. Both Olympus cameras have excellent glass. Thanks


The camera is a tool - you make the photo great!
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Apr 7, 2012 13:09:43   #
LindaChaplin wrote:
Hi UHH friends. I'm interested in purchasing a "mid priced" polarizer for my 14-70 Canon L series lens. I know that I need to put good glass in front of this great lens, but does anyone have suggestions for a polarizer that will do a good job without being too terribly expensive? Thanks much.


Do you not like the filter you have now?
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Apr 7, 2012 13:08:30   #
robert-photos wrote:
What is beauty??

http://www.wimp.com/advertisingcover/ :roll:


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" --Margaret Wolfe Hungerford

And to answer your question is to look to the young women of today and the expectations we put on them when it comes to their looks. To use a recent post as an example even Kate Upton does not look like Kate Upton in real life so how is she supposed to compete with her ideal self?

I agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but when every advertiser on the planet makes women into Barbies we end up with plastic versions of what we love.

Art is art and thank God for it, but reality is reality and we need to understand the difference.
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Apr 7, 2012 13:01:47   #
Gallery3Ten wrote:
This topic deals with the Legal field. Photo investigation if you will. If this is covered in another string then please lead me to it so I can read. I just have not seen anything as of yet.
An opportunity has come about that requires a date stamp on my RAW photos for court cases and insurance fraud..
My 7D will not do a date stamp on the actual photo. Does anyone know if the courts and litigation departments that hire me can use the information off the Meta Data that is stored with every RAW photo be sufficient enough for litigation?

Any help would be appreciated.
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Lets reverse your question and assume I am trying to commit fraud by using my cameras Date Time Stamp. So...how hard would it be to change it in the camera then take the photo? Just saying...
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Apr 7, 2012 12:59:12   #
Allegro23 wrote:
Thanks for your suggestion, I have looked at the Nikon D5100 and it was also recommended to me to look at the Canon D60. I have already looked at the Canon Rebel T2i adn understand the differences between the T3i--actually I was looking for personal experiecnces with any of these cameras.


With the reviews being fairly close the question comes back to you. Have you used a Canon or Nikon before and if so what were your impressions? The Canon Nikon War will go on forever and makes good business competition, but ultimately all that matters is which one you feel comfortable with.
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Apr 7, 2012 12:53:12   #
donrent wrote:
Been thinking about this for a week or so.... In so many postings of flowers they seem to be out (soft) of focus.... Is it possible, because of the actual softness of texture that most flowers have, these new fangled auto focused cameras have a problem of true focus ??? Just a though....


There may be several answers here: focus, movement and depth of field come to mind.

Focus sounds easy, but the answer may come down to how you are focusing. Are you using an overall pattern or spot focusing? If overall your camera may not be focusing where you would like it to. Change it to Spot and YOU will control where it focuses.

Movement is pretty obvious except when you are looking through a viewfinder. Basically the fix here to to advance your Shutter Speed. If it is really windy shoot as fast as your camera will allow.

And finally Depth of Field is another thought where the face of the flower may be in focus while the rest is not or even worse where the very front of the flower is not in focus, but rather just behind it ...
- Look off into the distance and notice how everything close up is out of focus - this is Depth Of Field

Please post if any of this helps
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Apr 7, 2012 12:44:04   #
Pam Williams wrote:
I have a photo in Jpeg that I want to put in raw. But I don't know how to do this. Can anyone help me?
Thank you, Pam


What you are asking cannot be done. RAW can be converted to JPG, but not the other way around.

I think however the better question is What Are You Trying To Do?
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Apr 7, 2012 12:42:17   #
SeaSide wrote:
I have a Nikon D5100. Any idea why some (not all) of photos taken in raw show up with file sizes as large as 18 meg?


“Megapixels are a general guide to the size of the photo, as measured by the number of pixels it includes. Megapixels is a strong indicator of quality in the sense that it helps you know how large the photo can be safely printed - more megapixels equals a larger print - but it doesn't really tell you anything about the quality of the camera's sensor or its lens.

Megabytes tells you how much space a photo takes up on your hard drive, and has nothing to do with your camera's megapixels. The same photo, saved at different JPEG quality levels, will yield wildly different file sizes in megabytes.”

www.pcworld.com/article/240271/everything_you_want_to_know_about_megapixels_megabytes_and_dpi.html

To answer your question then, the file size is not an indication of File Size, but The Amount Of Noise where noise is determined by how much is going on in the photo. For example, as stated earlier, if you take a photo of a white wall versus a busy scene the file size for the same camera at the same settings will be tremendously different.

To answer even further, JPG files store Red, Blue and Green data and use a compression sequence to further reduce the amount of information being stored. For example if you think of a photo as RGBRRBGRRGGBB where R equals Red, etc. a JPG file uses a trick where it memorizes how many Rs are in this photo and in what order so it basically stores the file as RGB with the extra bits thereby making the file size very small.

JPG files loose some data, but are basically able to reproduce themselves pretty well with the net impact being the loss of color saturation, color range and sharpness. Conversely RAW files store everything the camera sensor sees leaving nothing behind with no sacrifice to image quality and therefore can be very large in nature.

The debate to shoot RAW vs. JPG is yours to decide where I will only suggest you shoot both and evaluate your needs and the differences of each, but if I may I will leave you with a question. If you were a painter and I gave you a choice between a box of crayons with three colors and a bit of memory or a box with every color under the Sun which would you choose?
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Apr 5, 2012 16:43:44   #
What is the best advice you can give a new photographer?
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