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Jun 2, 2022 17:56:15   #
Architect1776 wrote:
Why do people waste time converting to TIFF.
The raw has all the data and from what I see most all, if not all, web sites only use JPEGs.
Also most printers seem to require JPEGs. Perhaps some special printers use TIFFs.
But overall they seem like a waste of life when one has the raw file.

They have their reasons?

I'll stick with saving as JPEG also.
The photographer may know/see a difference between JPEG and TIFF, but for a given single image shown to people, they will not.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:51:53   #
Grimaldi wrote:
First, I'll put DSLRs and mirrorless cameras in the same category -- serious interchangeable lens cameras.
Second, smartphone cameras are putting a serious dent in the DSLR/mirrorless market.
Where do I think this will lead? The market for the DSLR/mirrorless will go to not quite zero. There will be less profit motive for the camera companies to produce new models and, maybe, some companies will get out of the business, just as HP got out of the photo printer business. There will be occasional new and improved models and they will be significantly more expensive than they are now. But there will always be a few of us hardcore photographers to prevent extinction.
First, I'll put DSLRs and mirrorless cameras in th... (show quote)

The first, I definitely agree.

The second, also by attrition....
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Jun 2, 2022 17:48:58   #
JohnSwanda wrote:
It seems to me that most often when someone complains about high ISO being used it's because the photographer used a higher shutter speed or smaller aperture than was necessary. Also, I disagree that film grain is the same as digital noise. I think film grain has a much more appealing look than digital noise.

Synonymous, not identical.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:41:34   #
selmslie wrote:
Yes, you can "use" it with film also, color negative or positive.

The issue is that it does not work on a JPEG in conjunction with the eyedropper in Capture One - probably any other raw conversion program.

Taking measurements with the eyedropper on a JPEG image does not work on all of the gray scale squares as well as it does for a raw file.

Clicking on the six squares from white to black produced different color temperature settings - 7391k, 11555k, 12828k, 13802k, 14000k and 14000k. Those are not real color temperature values. The tint results were all over the place after the third square. The only reasonable result comes from the second square.
Yes, you can "use" it with film also, co... (show quote)


How can sucking up a color with the eyedropper tell the color temperature? I'm puzzled. I thought the eyedropper just picked up the selected color, as is, whatever it is.
You mean the editor does not do what you want?
Have you tried another editor?
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Jun 2, 2022 17:32:27   #


Talk about timing!
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Jun 2, 2022 17:23:16   #
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Jun 2, 2022 17:21:39   #
User ID wrote:
My advantage is in not having a Top Ten.

Sure you do......

• In focus
• well composed
• proper (desired) exposure
• interesting subject
• attractive lighting

You can add the other five.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:07:17   #
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Jun 2, 2022 17:04:58   #
selmslie wrote:
Ideally we should be setting the white balance as we convert the raw file.

But unless there is something deficient in ON1, the eyedropper can work on the JPEG. Here is the result from Capture One.

I clicked on the second white square in the Color Checker and ended up with 11417k@-3.4 tint. I wasn't so lucky with the other squares. But that is not a raw WB. It's the Capture One setting for adjusting the JPEG. It's on a different scale than the one intended for raw and does not line up with the color of the light.

Then I clicked on the white collar of the guy on the can and got 11600k@-5.5 tint. But the collar is a very small target and the result depends on where exactly I click because it contains a lot of noise.

I could not tell the difference between the two results on my calibrated monitor.

Two takeaways:

1. The WB needs to be set with a bright white area in the JPEG and you should avoid noisy areas. Your Styrofoam container should work.
2. The color checker is designed to be used with a raw image. It won't work well with a JPEG.
Ideally we should be setting the white balance as ... (show quote)


re: 2- The color checker is designed to be used with all images, not exclusively RAW. It's not the color checker's fault if a JPEG editor can't handle doing a proper (acceptable) adjustment. It's much easier to work with in a RAW editor though.
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Jun 2, 2022 17:00:50   #
User ID wrote:
Step it up ! Why just accept noise when you could step up to embracing noise ?

Well, it's not on my top ten list of things to shoot for.

But I'll accept it for what it is.
Besides, I rarely shoot over 400. Mostly using the ISO native to the camera.
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Jun 2, 2022 16:21:10   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I never like the noise and so if I can use lower ISO I will. I do not like either film grain or digital noise. But of course there are situations when it's either noise or grain or no picture.


What I prefer also.

Some people have self-imposed restrictions abhorring ANY noise AT ALL.
Others are not bothered quite as much.
For me, it depends on the circumstances and how badly I want the shot, accepting any noise consequences.
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Jun 2, 2022 15:53:31   #
jtm1943 wrote:
Good for you guys. Mine is for emergencies and convenience. I make about 5-6 phone calls a year, but check weather and news daily.

My kids in other states call me on their cell and vice versa, no long distance charges or long distance add-on surcharge on our land line. Anything out of our "local" land-line calling area we use the cell phones. Plus, I text message a lot. They're very handy for a multitude of functions.
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Jun 2, 2022 15:39:01   #
markngolf wrote:
Wow!! "An enlightened, warm external"!
Mark



IF the system drive monitor software monitors the drive temp for those (My WD pocket drives are), it has never given me a temp warning on the dock bay drives.
The pocket drives sit on the desk without benefit of added ventilation. I haven't been warned about those after running for three hours either.

Besides, when <good> drives are burned-in at the factory, they run powered and exercised in an oven at a temp one would not anticipate or ever have at home.
(Where I used to work we used to burn-in certain ICs to weed out early life failures. They ran HOT in a burn-in ovens for a few DAYS.)
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Jun 2, 2022 15:22:03   #
plumbbob1 wrote:
I would hate to be forced to use a camera with no view finder.

Yup, 50+years of using a viewfinder has me kinda conditioned.
Plus, most rear screens stink (nicer word) in bright outdoor light.
People will say get a hood.
Do they mean like the viewfinder has intrinsically????
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Jun 2, 2022 15:17:59   #
markngolf wrote:
Me too!! I have 6 internal and 4 external drives for backup. I have no idea what their temperatures are. I do not have a "NAS" system. I do manual redundant backups every Sat night. My data is important, but it is not my life. That's really important!
Mark



I have a USB external dual drive dock, that sits in front of a window, gets the afternoon sun, and has no fan on it.
When I do a backup, it runs actively for about three hours.
Does it get warm?
Probably.........
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