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Jan 27, 2020 11:16:56   #
travelwp wrote:
Does that mean that Nikon's are build so good, that they can close 12 repair centers because of a loss of business?


Nikon quit selling Nikon parts to independent service centers in 2012 and now they will not be selling anything to their authorized service centers. Can only image why they would make such a dumb move.

No, Nikon is NOT so good they do not have service issues like anyone else.
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Jan 27, 2020 11:12:37   #
Can you please move this to Main Discussion area? i do not know how i posted here .............
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Jan 27, 2020 11:03:46   #
This is not good. I have been a Nikon user since I got my first DSLR. Was in the market for a new camera and after seeing Nikon decision, I bought a Canon 80D. At least I can take it to an authorized service center if needed and not have to pack it up and ship it to Canon. I live within driving distance of Midwest Camera Repair in wyandotte, Michigan. I have heard the stories that Nikon has extended turn arounds now, so I can imagine what is coming with only Nikon California and Nikon New York available. So long Nikon, hello Canon.

https://petapixel.com/2019/12/10/nikon-is-shutting-down-its-authorized-repair-program-in-march-2020/
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Jan 27, 2020 10:59:35   #
Thanks to all who have commented. Was never an issue, only a curiosity as I have never seen a mirror count before. I am happy either way. The camera is in new condition, low usage and works. I am satisfied and will go out, take photos and enjoy.
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Jan 27, 2020 10:57:15   #
PGHphoto wrote:
Mirror count is important because it gives a better idea of the video usage. Often if used for video a lot, I am told the shutter has a tendency to freeze open. I have not found any actual proof but thats the urban myth. Others have said the excessive use of video can cause faster degradation of the sensor due to the constant "on" state of the sensor while recording video. Again - have never seen actual proof of that.

Additionally, if live view is used a lot, the mirror may go up and down many times without the camera even taking a shot. Typically when the time-out limit is reached, the mirror will come down and camera go to sleep. If you use live view a lot its easy to have the mirror go up and down many times as you are looking for the shot you want and never actually shoot anything.
Mirror count is important because it gives a bette... (show quote)


This is true. Anything which moves will eventually wear out depending on its use, quality and durability.
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Jan 27, 2020 10:54:32   #
Leitz wrote:
If those numbers are correct, the mirror count is 2,333 more than the shutter count, not 4,667. Hope that figured it out for you.


Your right. My math sucks! LOL
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Jan 27, 2020 10:52:14   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Is the data accurate? Is the data relevant? When was the last time you saw anyone ask to see the 'mirror count' on any type of camera? If you're bound and determined to get an answer on something that doesn't deserve the attention, call Canon and ask them. And, be prepared to be told they don't support 3rd party software, and instead, pay to have the camera sent to them for an 'official' reading.


This is the first camera I have ever seen a mirror count on. I do not care one way or the other so long as the camera works. Was just curious.
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Jan 27, 2020 09:18:50   #
Leitz wrote:
Your reply didn't answer the question, so here it is again: "Mirror lock-up only, no shutter use?"


I could believe this may be an explanation if it were only 40 or 50 but not 4667 times. I also thought maybe the shutter had been replaced but the few times Nikon replaced shutters for me, the count was never reset so that theory is most likely not valid, unless Canon resets the count.
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Jan 27, 2020 09:06:18   #
LFingar wrote:
Does just the act of turning the camera on then off change the mirror count? Can't think of why it would, but it won't hurt to check. Otherwise, I would suggest you un-install your shutter count program and find something else to add mystery to your life!


No, powering on and off has no effect on the shutter or mirror count. Not an issue with me, just curiosity as to how it happened. If both counts increment the same they should stay the same. Unless Canon is different from Nikon, when I had the shutter replaced on my D300, the shutter count was never reset but the original shutter count was noted on the invoice. Like a said, PURE CURIOSITY. LOL
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Jan 27, 2020 08:58:16   #
Longshadow wrote:
Mirror lock-up only, no shutter use???


No. The shutter and mirror both advance by 1 for each time a shot is taken, even on live view or video.
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Jan 27, 2020 08:37:30   #
Anyone want to comment on this? Not that it really matters but I hate mysteries. LOL

Found a program on the internet, cost me $5.18. Displays shutter count and mirror count, although I am not really sure what mirror count is as it is 4667 higher than the shutter count. When I take a shot the shutter count and mirror count increment by 1, as I expected. When I do live view or video both shutter count and mirror count again increment by 1. Shutter count is 6936 and the mirror count 9269. Have not figured this one out yet. I bought the camera from an older gentlemen, who told me he was the original owner. Camera is about 2.5 years old so I have no clue how the mirror count got so far ahead of the shutter count. Unless this camera was purchased as a refurb after a defective shutter was replaced. In my mind, the shutter and mirror count should be the same. Bottom line is camera was not used much, is mint and looks unused plus works perfectly so I do not see this as any kind of issue. Just curiosity ........ This is my first Canon DSLR. Sold my Nikon D700 and I do not regret the change. Love the Canon 80D, especially the fully articulating touch screen and SD card. No more Compact Flash!
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Jan 26, 2020 17:49:05   #
boberic wrote:
This is a bit of a pet peeve. But what is Canon trying to hide? Nikon counts are easy to find without paying anything. But Canon maks you jump through hoops to find theirs. WHY???


Because they can
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Jan 26, 2020 17:21:11   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Video too ...


When in live view the mirror flips up I understand but does the shutter actually activate? If it doesn't that would explain why the mirror count is a whole lot higher than the shutter count.
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Jan 26, 2020 17:08:43   #
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Jan 26, 2020 15:03:35   #
Problem solved. Paif $5.18 and bought EOSMSG. Works fine bit is limited on to this camera. No Problem.

It does show a shutter count and a mirror count. Now I noticed, after taking a photo, they both advanced one. So just how is the mirror count ahead of the shutter count? ARRRGGGH!
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