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Mar 23, 2013 13:28:48   #
six-gold wrote:
I am not a critic. Personally I think this is a beautiful flower. The background, IMO, adds rather than subtracts from the shot. The orchid doesn't look lonely. I probably would have positioned it to the left so that it was just inside the border,and possibly a tad lower, but that's me. It'a a thing of beauty!!


Couldn't say it better.
Nice shot :thumbup:
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Mar 23, 2013 13:14:36   #
sudzmonn wrote:
GOOD ! we still got a bout a foot of snow here in upstate new york , I'm ready for sunny warm weather .


Be careful of what you wish for.
It's supposed to be autumn (Fall) here in NZ now but we haven't had any rain of note since about late November. New Zealand is apparently going through its worst drought since records began. Apart from the farmers and our economy being affected to the tune of a couple of billion dollars already, our lawn is dead!
We have watering restrictions for over half the country with neighbours being asked to inform on neighbours if they see anyone watering their garden or washing their car etc.
New Zealand normally has a very temperate climate with sun and rain in nice equal measures but not this year.
O how I wish it would rain. If I wanted sun all year I would go live in the desert.
An upside is that the Wine Industry is forecasting a fantastic grape season with a bumper crop due to be harvested.
Wonder if this is god telling me to save water and drink more wine?
(Read in this mornings newspaper that no significant rain is forecast for at least another 10 days!)
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Mar 23, 2013 13:01:12   #
FreoJim wrote:
Well thank you Bruce. I was unaware of this lens but now I have looked at reviews I am, as you clearly are, very impressed. Less than half the cost of the 70-200 VRII and clearly beautifully made. It's now on my wish list!


I have owned this lens, the ED version, for many years and agree it is a fantastic piece of work and produces beautiful results. (Lovely out of focus backgrounds at f2.8).
A note of caution though.
It won't auto focus on older smaller cameras.
It is HEAVY! Weighs over a kilogram and not a walk around lens unless
you are used to carrying this sort of weight.
Didn't balance well for me on my D200. Is great though on the D300s.
If using on a DX camera, at the long zoom end recommend a solid tripod.
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Mar 22, 2013 15:16:57   #
mwoods222 wrote:
sonded and looked like Australasian and Aborigine


Australasian?
Hmmm.
Absoloodylutely fantastic!
Bet you that will become numba won on Alice Radio.
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Mar 22, 2013 14:28:54   #
Thanks Geff. Good info on true Macro.
No, way way out of warranty. Had it for years.
But will pursue a repair here locally maybe just not through Sigma.
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Mar 22, 2013 14:13:00   #
saichiez wrote:
Well, I just looked on eBay and looked into the completed listings for final sale prices. There were 193 listings sold in the last 60 days. It certainly appears as if there is value there. All of those sold listings ranged (used) from $350 to 600 for the specifications listed. If you decide to look change the specs a bit... use:

SIGMA 2.8 24-70 EX DG with a space between EX and DG.

The way you had it did not turn up any hits. The way I listed it turned up a ton of this lens in various mounts.

Since the lens seems to have some decent value, I think I would first attempt to find out if there is a reasonably local camera repair person who does lenses, find out what his or her reputation is, and get an estimate there.

Secondly, I would contact Sigma on line and pursue an estimate. Many camera and lens mfrs now quote a fixed repair fee, or a max possible before sending it in.

Good luck. If it's something you would use in good condition ????

I often assess just how much I will use a lens before considering repair. I might also weigh into a decision just why about 300 of those lenses (all mounts) are either currently listed or have been sold in just the last 60 days???
Well, I just looked on eBay and looked into the co... (show quote)


Thanks for that.
I wrote EXDG as that is the way it's printed on the lens but now you mention it, there could be a very tiny space.
See what you mean about sales on eBay.
Like you, when I googled EXDG got no hits but now I have tried EX DG get 1000's. will spend a little time seeing if anyone else has reported a similar problem. Mine is about 10 years old and in mint condition apart from the problem, takes a nice photo so I think, in view of the 2nd hand prices, I will pursue a repair, somehow.
Thanks again.
Cheers
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Mar 22, 2013 13:57:13   #
Thanks for the picture of Petra Dave.
Brought back memories of many years ago riding down that valley on horses to that exact spot you photographed. They took the horses away then and we walked miles further along the old road.
One of the vendors on the side of the road we met turned out to be from New Zealand!
Some years earlier she had been a tourist, like us, and met a local chap who invited her to stay with him. Illegally she did so, fell in love and some years later she was still there.
She took us to her home (one of the caves on the right, going up the valley) and showed us the very simple life she had adopted.
Fascinating!
When we got home we Googled her and found they had made a documentary film of her life there.
So thanks for the memory jogger.
Enjoy this site. It's very interesting and informative at times.
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Mar 22, 2013 13:50:10   #
Welcome from New Zealand Brent.
Retirement is the reward after a life of working but
I sometimes wonder how I ever had the time to work.
Cheers
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Mar 22, 2013 13:46:36   #
Nice pic.
Welcome from New Zealand.
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Mar 22, 2013 13:38:35   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Tony, even though your 24-70mm lens says Macro on the barrel it is not really what is considered to be a Macro lens. I think that if you posed this question in the regular photo forum that you may get more feed back from members who own the same lens... People posting in this forum do not shoot macro with that lens.
Thanks for the advice. Have posted on the General forum but you may have answered something for me as well.
Interestingly, It doesn't have MACRO on the lens itself. It has macro on the box and on the headings on the paperwork and instructions though. And the serial number on the sticker on the box agrees with the serial number on the lens. But no MACRO on the lens itself.

This was my first and last sigma and purchased when I had a bit more money than I have now. Being retired I am now going through a lot of old gear and trying to resurrect some of it to use again.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
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Mar 22, 2013 13:29:59   #
saichiez wrote:
Can't speak to your particular lens, but I have been off Sigma for quite some time.

My third failure on a Sigma was 6 month ago. Nice lens until the AF quit working. When switched to AF, the focus motor just chatters, with no movement on the focus. Still usable manually, but it's broke, and I did not pay enough for it to repair it. It's the 28-105, f2.8-4.

The other two that failed me were similar focal lengths... on one the aperture failed, and on the other, the zoom seized up.

I have often heard anecdotal comments about poor Sigma Quality Control... Good lenses generally but too many instances of failure.

Still it took me three (me cheap) to learn my lesson.

Sorry to hear about your problem, but your course of action, as has been mine is send it to Sigma $$$$ (I looked into that on two-very pricey) or replace it. Sorry, there is a third option, just as I am still using my third and last Sigma without Auto Focus.
Can't speak to your particular lens, but I have be... (show quote)


Ouch! Sorry to hear of your problems too.
This was a very pricey bit of glass here in NZ when I bought it some years ago. Am retired now and don't have the money to spend on equipment that I had when I was working. Hence my digging this out again. It still takes a lovely photo but if I point it down I can't 'wind' the zoom in and point it up and I can't wind it out.
Holding it level, I can work it in and out but with that dead spot in the middle sort of puffing air.
It's the only non Nikon lens I own and while I wouldn't like to sell it to anyone as it is, it is frustrating having it sit in the closet as well.
A dilemma!
When I think about it, this may have been a silly post as I guess the only decision is do I spend about $200 sending it off for sigma appraisal, then find it may cost another $xxx to repair or do I just use it as a book case ornament.

Thanks for your reply, appreciated.
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Mar 21, 2013 19:09:57   #
ted45 wrote:
TonyP wrote:
ted45 wrote:
I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Most of the old masters of photography manipulated their photos to get their vision. The darkroom was used extensively to dodge, burn, vignette, and composite photos. Photographers would stage their subjects and manipulate the lighting until they got what they wanted. Even the great event photos like the flag raising on Iwo Jima were staged and posed.

For decades the goal was to have photography recognized as an art form. To produce the type of photos that keyshot produces requires an understanding of art and design plus a great deal of ability. You can't just pull up a bunch of copy and paste elements and produce something worthwhile. Adding a rainbow to a landscape is no simple process. It takes skill and a deep understanding of not only photography but the software involved at every step in the process.

The public is concerned with the result not the process. Change comes whether you want it or not and change is hitting photography big time.
I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Most of the ... (show quote)


Yes, and everything you say is true, but it is no longer fair or correct to call the manipulated result Photography.
It's digital manipulation.
If you had worked in a 'dark' Darkroom for as many hours (years), as I did, you would know the difference.
And everything we did back then was created without any input from any anonymous programmer. Yes the final result was created by the technology of the day but the camera didn't lie. Maybe we enhanced later in the darkroom but the initial negative was true and the later enhancement was added solely by the effort and artistic ability of the photographer. Without out any anonymous help from a computer.

Dont get me wrong. I am not criticising Digital Photography. I love it. (well love may be too strong a word). But I don't kid myself that I am still practicing photography. You wield a portable computer when you point your 'camera' at the subject. And largely the result is determined by the camera manufacturer, his software and finally, Adobe or its ilk.

Personally, for my own satisfaction I shun Photoshop and limit my creative darkroom skills to only what is offered by Lightroom. Not excactly a purist but as close as I can get while achieving a modicum of satisfaction from my modern equipment.
quote=ted45 I'm not sure what the fuss is about. ... (show quote)


I understand but I think you give the technology too much credit. No matter what you use it takes a skilled photographer to produce a good photograph. I have always loved photography and started out with a Brownie Box Camera. The problem is that I was never a wealthy person. I could not afford a decent SLR until I was over 55. A dark room was nothing more than a pipe dream. I had a better chance with my daydreams about Raquel Welsh than I did of getting a dark room and the ability to use it. I could never afford to get more than one or two rolls of Kodachrome developed at a time. I never had the money to pay for lessons so it was school of try and try again for me. I love the fact that I can take hundreds of photos on a memory card and keep taking until I get what I want without going broke.

I still see no difference between Lightroom and Photoshop other than the price so I don't get your point.

For folks like you that had the money to be engaged in old school photography I say good for you. However for folks like me with a love for the medium and a lack of money, training or access to good equipment the digital age is a godsend. I see good photographers using everything from top shelf Nikons to cell phones producing great photos today.

Andy Warhol took portraits with a $20 Polaroid Shure Shot. His PP manipulation turned those photos into $50,000 works of art. The original polaroids are now selling in the 20 to 30,000 range. No darkroom, no Photoshop - just talent. Talent and ability will always win.
quote=TonyP quote=ted45 I'm not sure what the fu... (show quote)


Mate. I didnt have ANY money. 50 years ago I was apprenticed to a photographer and got paid, from memory about 10 pounds a week to carry his gear, set up lights and spend hours in the darkroom 'processing'. This included mixing the chemicals, putting rolls of film from the cartridges into the developing cassettes, washing the prints in stop and fixer. All in a very dreary red light inundated with a smell that even today brings back some not always happy memories. Being severely chastised if I left anything too long or too short. Eventually, after about 2 years I was allowed to play with the ENLARGER. What a grounding. Looking back I wonder how I stuck with it but my mentor/employer/slave driver was a perfectionist and demanded perfection from little keen fellows like me. He's dead now but was a great grounding in the discipline of photography, as it was then. Everything cost and of course if I stuffed up the developing, he couldn't go back and reshoot. Eventually he decided I knew enough of the processing and I became an assistant photographer and one day he gave me the gear and sent me out on my own. That took probably over 2 years for that day to come. In the meantime I had spent a lot of time watching and helping in the studio of course. (mostly unpaid as a lot of it was weekend weddings and evening portrait work).
So no, I dont come from a privileged background, regrettably.

The difference between Lightroom and Photoshop is immense. Lightroom has few manipulation tools. It is as close as the 'old' darkroom in its limitations. Another good feature is it never alters the original file. Creates a file only of the changes and applies those as and when you open the original. It really is a quite different programme.

Your final comment supports my case.

Cheers
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Mar 21, 2013 18:19:05   #
gym wrote:
If you go to the search function and type in 'camera repair' you'll find a number of additional options. In fact, you might do a google search for those in New Zealand.
Here's one that may or may not be what you're seeking: http://www.camerarepairs.co.nz
Thanks for the suggestion. Its a twist operation. Cheers
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Mar 21, 2013 18:00:00   #
ted45 wrote:
I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Most of the old masters of photography manipulated their photos to get their vision. The darkroom was used extensively to dodge, burn, vignette, and composite photos. Photographers would stage their subjects and manipulate the lighting until they got what they wanted. Even the great event photos like the flag raising on Iwo Jima were staged and posed.

For decades the goal was to have photography recognized as an art form. To produce the type of photos that keyshot produces requires an understanding of art and design plus a great deal of ability. You can't just pull up a bunch of copy and paste elements and produce something worthwhile. Adding a rainbow to a landscape is no simple process. It takes skill and a deep understanding of not only photography but the software involved at every step in the process.

The public is concerned with the result not the process. Change comes whether you want it or not and change is hitting photography big time.
I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Most of the ... (show quote)


Yes, and everything you say is true, but it is no longer fair or correct to call the manipulated result Photography.
It's digital manipulation.
If you had worked in a 'dark' Darkroom for as many hours (years), as I did, you would know the difference.
And everything we did back then was created without any input from any anonymous programmer. Yes the final result was created by the technology of the day but the camera didn't lie. Maybe we enhanced later in the darkroom but the initial negative was true and the later enhancement was added solely by the effort and artistic ability of the photographer. Without out any anonymous help from a computer.

Dont get me wrong. I am not criticising Digital Photography. I love it. (well love may be too strong a word). But I don't kid myself that I am still practicing photography. You wield a portable computer when you point your 'camera' at the subject. And largely the result is determined by the camera manufacturer, his software and finally, Adobe or its ilk.

Personally, for my own satisfaction I shun Photoshop and limit my creative darkroom skills to only what is offered by Lightroom. Not excactly a purist but as close as I can get while achieving a modicum of satisfaction from my modern equipment.
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Mar 21, 2013 16:15:01   #
SIGMA 2.8 24-70 EXDG.
Have owned this lens for a few years and forgot why I put it away, but 'found' it again yesterday, put it on a camera and !@!#!*!

It has a sort of dead spot in the zoom which makes it rather difficult to use.
Almost like it fills up with air then puffs the air out when it goes past the 'dead' spot.
I seem to recall contacting SIGMA NZ who quoted heaps just to even look at it, so put it away and forgot about it.

Hard to explain exactly the problem but anyone with this lens and a similar problem will know what I am talking about.
If you had the problem, was there an easy fix?
(Have posted this on the Macro forum as well as it is a Macro lense)
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