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Aug 24, 2021 11:26:17   #
Wallen wrote:
Sorry if i was not clear.

It would be very handy for my current work if the latest PS is capable of saving the previous states via History window, so when a saved project needs to be opened again and re-edited, i could start anywhere in the previous history log.

I have CS6 and as aforementioned can not do that. Opening a previously closed file does not give access to t the previous history. Meaning any raster changes is destructive and not reversible. The CS6 history log is just a list and not read back and re-applied. Below is an example of the log.

I was very interested when you mentioned that editing was fully restorable via the history as per your training and was wondering if this is one of the changes they made in the newer versions.
If so, that would be a major game changer and might make me take the plunge to use the monthly billed service.

I have been using PS since version 5.0. That was around the later part of 1998 (if my memory is still correct). Prior to that, the common software I get to use was CorelDraw. Hence, I am well versed with non destructive editing and actually had a long discussion and shown that PS can do non-destructive edits (which the other guy called a "trick").

But I used Smart Objects for the editing to be non destructive and not the history window. Using the Smart Objects for nondestructive editing is fine but just like creating a hidden backup history layer, it still makes the file huge. That is why I am very interested in what you were discussing.
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Sorry if i was not clear. br br It would be very... (show quote)

The file will be huge, but terabytes are cheap in today's world.

Also, there's this:

https://digital-photography-school.com/non-destructive-editing-photoshop/

This will be my last post. I no longer need UHH for my business since I'm retired, and UHH really isn't fun anymore like it was a decade ago, so I'm retiring from UHH as well. Admin has deleted my account, so as soon as I log out, I will be forever retired. Good luck to everyone. Best wishes for health, happiness, peace, and prosperity.
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Aug 24, 2021 01:50:49   #
Wallen wrote:
Question for the new softwares version:

I'm using CS6. When i close a PS file, all the history disappears and i can not undo or go back to the previous states anymore. Meaning any changes i have made is fixed. If it was to a raster layer, that layer is burned, in other words, those are destructive edits.

My question is: Are the newer versions of PS capable of saving the previous states via the History window so that when a saved file is opened again, previous edits can be undone?

I don't remember much about CS6 since I always update when updates are available. However, one can save a history of what was done to the file. It's called a History Log.

Below is a good link to some of the wonderful ways one can do non-destructive editing in Photoshop. Add in Adjustment Layers and Actions, and Photoshop can do anything and everything. I used to do my work in Photoshop, Lightroom, Elements, Paintshop Pro, Photo-Paint, PageMaker, InDesign, Illustrator, CorelDraw, and many other programs. When I was at the Adobe Convention in Las Vegas, I learned that everything I was doing in all those other programs could be done in Photoshop. However, it took some work, and some of the other programs that were created to do specific tasks (PageMaker, InDesign, Illustrator, CorelDraw) do it easier than can be done in Photoshop. But if one does the same things time after time, one can simply create templates, adjustment layers, actions, scripts, etc., and not have to have so many programs on one's computer. Since I retired at the start of the pandemic and am not looking for new clients, I don't have to have the current updates of all those other programs in case someone walks in and wants me to help them with something. I'm all alone now. Knowing how to do everything in one program, Photoshop, saves me more than a thousand dollars each year for updates to all those programs I used to have.

https://jkost.com/blog/2021/02/working-with-undo-the-history-panel-history-and-art-history-brushes-in-photoshop.html
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Aug 23, 2021 23:49:18   #
JD750 wrote:
I’m have been using computers since before the TRASH-80.

So have I. We should get together sometime and compare notes!

JD750 wrote:
As I said I don’t care if you understand the meaning of non-destructive editing or not. (You don’t). You can peruse the literature if you want to better understand what non-destructive means and why it matters. Apparently you know it all so you don’t need to do this.

But I hope that others are not mislead by your lack of understanding.

If people are "mislead," they just might learn something. I got mislead all the time at conventions. Learned a lot!
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Aug 23, 2021 19:10:11   #
JD750 wrote:
You might understand the History button but you don’t understand the meaning of non-destructive editing.

And I don’t care if you understand the meaning of non-destructive editing or not. You can peruse the literature if you want to better understand what non-destructive means and why it matters.

But I would hate to see others mislead by your lack of understanding.

Certain operations in photoshop are most definitely destructive. For those who want to better understand that, then the link below is a good place to start.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/nondestructive-editing.html
You might understand the History button but you do... (show quote)

If one understands how to use the History Panel to its fullest extent, one can very easily accomplish non-destructive editing in Photoshop. I learned at an Adobe convention in Las Vegas 8 years ago. I have been doing it for 8 years now. That convention also convinced me to shoot RAW always (for my purposes) and to convert my CR* files to DNG. Best photography convention I ever went to.

Of course, people my age who have been taking photographs for 55 years and using computers for 43 years and digital photo editing software programs for 38 years also understand that virtually since day one, we've been able to do non-destructive editing simply by using the File Save As command or making a copy before editing. Software for 40+ years also has been asking us "Save Changes?" whenever we quit a program. Now combine all that knowledge with Photoshop's History Panel, and the possibilities are endless.
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Aug 23, 2021 12:59:07   #
JD750 wrote:
I know how to use the history panel.

Perhaps you don’t understand the meaning of a non-destructive edit.

I understand quite well. The history panel allows for any edit to be non-destructive with the click of a mouse.
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Aug 22, 2021 22:56:49   #
JD750 wrote:
Camera raw and filters are destructive edits.

When one learns how to use the History panel, nothing in Photoshop is destructive.
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Aug 16, 2021 13:14:34   #
lamiaceae wrote:
Welcome to the extremely ugly hedgehog this morning. The membership seems to have largely not had their coffee for the day or gotten out of the wronge side of the bed. I feel many replies are overly rude. I agree it sounds like you really messed up and may also have problems with some of your other programs too. But it does not have to be all so personal. My apologies for UHH. I did read some useful suggestions.

Yep. I've been on UHH since October 29, 2011, but I rarely visit anymore and even more rarely do I post. Just too many ugly people, and not just here, either. They are everywhere on the Internet, hiding behind a computer screen and keyboard.
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Aug 4, 2021 13:47:19   #
My daily walkaround lens is a Tamron 16-300. When I have to go out to the East San Diego County boondocks looking for wildlife, I'll switch to a Tamron 150-600.
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Jul 1, 2021 09:19:54   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If the image is out of focus, no amount of post is going to save it.

It depends on what one's goal is. If it's to make a sharp picture, no, post processing probably won't do it. If it's to create Photographic Art, never say never as my wise old grandmother would say. I learned never to trash a picture because the options in post processing are extraordinary. One can make something out of nothing at all.
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Jun 12, 2021 09:19:36   #
mikegreenwald wrote:
If it was truly a Stradivarius, it was worth more than all the cameras in the city.

It wasn't a Strad. It was a Mozzani, a rare violin handcrafted in 1915. Worth $40,000 in 2000.
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Jun 12, 2021 09:18:39   #
LFingar wrote:
There was an article in the NYC papers years ago about a student at, I believe Juliard, who left her violin in a cab. As I recall it was a Stradivarius, hence all the media attention. She got it back and I bet she never forgot it again!

I'm quite familiar with that instance. That was Meesun Hong in January 2000. Her violin was a $40,000 (at the time) Mozzani violin, a rare violin handcrafted in 1915.

Now Meesun Hong Coleman, she has a long and prestigious history: Princeton B.A., Juilliard M.A. Fulbright scholar.
Professor of violin and chamber music at Anton Bruckner University in Linz. Concertmaster of the Kammerakademie Potsdam and the Haydn Philharmonie. That's just off the top of my head. There is much much more.

I know a lot of people who have left their instruments in taxis, on buses, and on commuter trains. Not all of them got them back.
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Jun 12, 2021 08:48:17   #
I just replaced my Canon 760D (T6s). I really didn't know what I wanted, only that I have thousands of dollars invested in lenses for the 760D. Nonetheless, if I chose something else, I could sell them. I wound up renting a Canon EOS R5, the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV, and the Canon EOS 90D. All were impressive, so I factored in getting new lenses and how much that the old and new technology would affect my old body going forward. That left me with the 90D, which is what I bought.

There are a lot of camera stores, both brick & mortar and online, that are closing up shop. Lots of camera equipment for sale at pennies on the dollars. I got my 90D for $549.
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Jun 12, 2021 08:40:21   #
josquin1 wrote:
I think many violinists have left their instrument on top of their car and driven off. Some with dire consequences and some with the good luck of it not being blown off the car.

Wow. I've been playing the violin, and playing in orchestras, since 1964. I have never seen or heard of a violinist (or violist) leaving the instrument on top of a car. The first thing we do is get that fragile instrument in the car. Everything else is secondary.
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Jun 6, 2021 20:39:34   #
User ID wrote:
Maybe it’s only illegal when eastbound :-)

Good point! I had not thought of that!
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Jun 5, 2021 23:01:35   #
Dennis833 wrote:
On Thursday I found myself surrounded by 3 police cars and 6 policeman.
A woman living in a small country town in Tasmania, Australia had reported me to the police as a hitman with a tripod and rifle looking for the best location to take the shot. Apparently the woman had an argument on social media and that person was sending a man around to shoot her. The funny thing was that I ended up having a laugh with 6 policeman in a quite location by a river bank.

When Twitler was inaugurated as president and his border wall became all the rage, I went to Border Road in San Diego to take pictures of the border wall that already existed. I started at the Pacific Ocean and drove about 15 miles inland. At that point when I stopped, 13 Border Patrol vehicles descended upon me. They asked me what I was doing and I told them I was taking pictures of the border wall. They said I couldn't do that because it was illegal. Okay, whatever. They last thing I wanted to do was get arrested and then have to spend a lot of money in court proving that they were wrong. They asked to see the pictures I had taken and made me erase every one of them. Then they all left. I turned around and drove back to the Pacific Ocean, stopping to retake all the pictures that had been erased.
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