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Mar 12, 2019 10:06:12   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Attention to detail, basic knowledge and understanding of quantity, quality, and direction of light and how to balance ambient with artificial, do some study on composition, take chances with the "rules" of photography. Do not want to start any arguments, but I believe that a quality PP program under the guidance of a skilled technician, can make a hero out of almost anyone if the photographer has basic understandings of the exposure triangle and histogram - Camera shake excepted.

Or you can put the camera in P mode and shoot like Joe Buissink who commands top dollar for weddings. He has stated (for him) that it's not about fiddling with settings for that perfect shot, it's all about capturing that special moment. That said, I think it still requires the above. Interesting question and fun to opine over. Thanks to the OP.
Attention to detail, basic knowledge and understan... (show quote)


Are you saying that camera shake and blur is a mark of a less-skilled photographer that is beyond the help of a PP program and skilled guidance? Blur can be used quite creatively to bring motion into a picture, but it does take some serious skill to pull it off - even if the blur doesn't come from the subject alone.

https://www.picturecorrect.com/tips/how-to-use-shutter-speed-and-creative-camera-motion-for-artistic-effect/

https://blog.londolozi.com/2014/01/09/how-to-capture-motion-blur-in-a-photograph/

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Mar 12, 2019 10:33:14   #
eugenehinds
 
I sometimes wonder if the REAL photographers died along with Ansel Adams. He took a photograph. Now with the digital age on us we can take 1000 photographs and the saying goes "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally." With the old 8 x 10 you stop, plan think then an exposure is made. One of the afore mentioned newspaper photogs told me he would take 3 36 exposure rolls of ektacrome to a UT football game to get 2 or 3 that would go into the newspaper. Here action is moving fast and he did not have time to be picky So the shotgun method is understandable.

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Mar 12, 2019 11:17:54   #
Cheryl A
 
In my humble opinion, a photographer is a continuing student. One who has never arrived at a destination.
One who willingly learns from others but is not defined by them. I have pictures that I love and no one else would, most likely, take a second look at. I also think it is a calling. Something that draws you to it. There are good photographs and there are great photographs but no perfect photograph, so you continue on hoping you will capture ones that move you.

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Mar 12, 2019 12:28:28   #
awesome14 Loc: UK
 
It's all in how you see the world around you. When a photographer looks at the world, (s)he is always thinking in terms of photography. Wow! that looks cool! How would I capture that? Photographers also carry cameras almost everywhere, at least in their vehicle.

Jimi Hendrix waS A GREAT GUITARIST, and he carried his guitar around his neck everywhere he went, so he would never be without it. Photographers are sort of like that. One might not carry a DSLR everywhere, but something smaller.

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Mar 12, 2019 13:03:18   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
User ID wrote:
Answer is understandable only
to those who would never ask
in the first place. Sorry :-(

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Typical answer from someone who has a superiority complex. When we were kids it was, "If you don't know I'm not gonna tell you."

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Mar 12, 2019 13:06:39   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
The question becomes a matter of definition. I suggest we all look up the definition of "photographer" and go with that instead of trying to paint it as something it isn't. What we think it means doesn't matter.

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Mar 12, 2019 13:31:50   #
User ID
 
eugenehinds wrote:
I sometimes wonder if the REAL photographers died along with Ansel Adams. He took a photograph. Now with the digital age on us we can take 1000 photographs and the saying goes "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally." With the old 8 x 10 you stop, plan think then an exposure is made. One of the afore mentioned newspaper photogs told me he would take 3 36 exposure rolls of ektacrome to a UT football game to get 2 or 3 that would go into the newspaper. Here action is moving fast and he did not have time to be picky So the shotgun method is understandable.
I sometimes wonder if the REAL photographers died ... (show quote)



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Mar 12, 2019 13:44:03   #
eugenehinds
 
Could not have said it better myself. amen

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Mar 12, 2019 14:00:11   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This discussion appears to cover the ground of a reply to your question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographer

It does not describe the work of a photographer as an artform, but more as an occupation or a past-time.

It does not specify photography itself as an artform and by extension photographers as artists.

For simplicity, we could just say photographers take pictures.
Rongnongno wrote:
I spotted this comment in another thread and quite frankly I am not sure what it is to 'be a photographer', so a 'good photographer'????

Carrying a gizmo, whatever it is, is not 'being a photographer'. (porteur)
Recording an image for 'posterity' is not being a photographer. (witness/voyeur)
Getting paid for the above? (mercenary and we all know what that implies)

So, what the hell is a photographer?

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Mar 12, 2019 14:12:37   #
D-Train Loc: Bend, Oregon
 
nikon_jon wrote:
According to the actions of some, a photographer is a person who buys the latest auto-everything camera, struts around with it and declares in the hearing of everyone, "Last week I couldn't even spell fotogafer, and now I are one."

Now I realize you probably never hear someone actually say that, but I think you know the attitude I am talking about.


Sounds like some Harley Davidson owners I know. We call them "trailer queens". They trailer their bikes to rallys like Sturgis or Daytona and ride them into town the last few miles and strut around in their shiny new leathers. We tell them "$30,000 and 30 miles doesn't make you a biker." There are posers in lots of areas of life.

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Mar 12, 2019 17:09:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
eugenehinds wrote:
I sometimes wonder if the REAL photographers died along with Ansel Adams. He took a photograph. Now with the digital age on us we can take 1000 photographs and the saying goes "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally." With the old 8 x 10 you stop, plan think then an exposure is made. One of the afore mentioned newspaper photogs told me he would take 3 36 exposure rolls of ektacrome to a UT football game to get 2 or 3 that would go into the newspaper. Here action is moving fast and he did not have time to be picky So the shotgun method is understandable.
I sometimes wonder if the REAL photographers died ... (show quote)


But he clearly made great art in the time after the press of the shutter. In some cases he was still subjecting some of his images to additional contrast enhancement processing many years after the fact - decades even.

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Mar 12, 2019 17:09:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
D-Train wrote:
Sounds like some Harley Davidson owners I know. We call them "trailer queens". They trailer their bikes to rallys like Sturgis or Daytona and ride them into town the last few miles and strut around in their shiny new leathers. We tell them "$30,000 and 30 miles doesn't make you a biker." There are posers in lots of areas of life.



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Mar 12, 2019 18:20:02   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
D-Train wrote:
Sounds like some Harley Davidson owners I know. We call them "trailer queens". They trailer their bikes to rallys like Sturgis or Daytona and ride them into town the last few miles and strut around in their shiny new leathers. We tell them "$30,000 and 30 miles doesn't make you a biker." There are posers in lots of areas of life.


But it does make you a motorcycle ride.

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Mar 16, 2019 10:44:39   #
axiesdad Loc: Monticello, Indiana
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Got it! Good old Internet!

"Definition of photographer
: one who practices photography
especially : one who makes a business of taking photographs"


Maybe the key word here is "practices." Perhaps a photographer is someone who desires to take better pictures and has practiced and learned in order to do so. At the same time, although I love taking pictures and have been trying to improve for many years, have even taken a few pictures that I am proud of, I am still loath to give myself the lofty title of photographer.

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Mar 16, 2019 11:27:49   #
User ID
 
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axiesdad wrote:

Maybe the key word here is "practices." Perhaps
a photographer is someone who desires to take
better pictures and has practiced and learned in
order to do so. .........


"Practices", in the quoted definition, does
not mean practice in the sense of "practice
makes perfect"
. It does NOT mean striving
to improve. In the quoted definition it just
means "performs the act of photographing".

Or if you wish to keep the root of the word
"practice", then it means a photographer is
a "practitioner" of photography.

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