Doesn'y pay to keep anything online ! (Page 5): 32 and 1024 would be a "carry bit" each, you would need one more finger in both cases. Ten fingers only goes to 1023, as zero is valid...

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

nadelewitz wrote:

That would be 32 on one hand and 1024 with two hands. 0 (zero) is data too.

32 and 1024 would be a "carry bit" each, you would need one more finger in both cases.
Ten fingers only goes to 1023, as zero is valid as one of the 1024 possibilities.
Without the 11th bit for 1024, how would you know that zero is really zero or part of the 1024?

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

Longshadow wrote:

In case my house burns down (or up, depending on where you're from), lightning strike, the on-line backup is off-site and all automatic.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

So they are stopping the free ride and asking for $$$ for a paid account. I can’t see anything amiss here. I use Smugmug which I pay for storage, display, social media and retail sales of my craft. It’s been a solid cloud service for 12 years. Likely Google figured out they can make a buck with their “enhanced” pay for play service just as many others have, such as Flickr, et al. Fair ball... Game on.

Cheers!

chrissybabe wrote:

" On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any ... (show quote)

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

NCMtnMan wrote:

Simple solution since you don't like that people change free things online. Purchase your own domain and website space. Then develop and post your own website. You can then post and backup whatever files you choose without worry about it.

Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada

Longshadow wrote:

32 and 1024 would be a "carry bit" each, you would need one more finger in both cases.
Ten fingers only goes to 1023, as zero is valid as one of the 1024 possibilities.
Without the 11th bit for 1024, how would you know that zero is really zero or part of the 1024?

Zero wasn't always a number...

The first recorded zero appeared in Mesopotamia around 3 B.C. The Mayans invented it independently circa 4 A.D. It was later devised in India in the mid-fifth century, spread to Cambodia near the end of the seventh century, and into China and the Islamic countries at the end of the eighth.Feb 28, 2000

If it was not included, you could only count to 1023, anyway since all fingers down would not be considered, only the lack of something.

Often zero is not included in the Natural number system.

Dik

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

You may not like or trust “the cloud,” however, your personal banking, medical, government, church, education and a plethora of other personal matters and records are stored in “the cloud” whether you trust it or not... Welcome to the “ new” world.

Cheers!

bikertut wrote:

Exactly! And I don’t trust any cloud.

xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada

Great advice, however, so much of our personal information is already in cyberspace. The government, banks, hospitals and dozens of other organizations that have our personal data either simply mandate cloud service with or without our personal permissions. In the end, the Web has altered life significantly for each of us whether we like it or approve of it or not. Kinda sad, kinda glad.

Cheers!

frankraney wrote:

I've always told my kids and grandkids, do not put anything on the web you do not want shared...... Once it's there, the whole world can see it and share it..... No privacy on the web.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Dikdik wrote:

Zero wasn't always a number...

The first recorded zero appeared in Mesopotamia around 3 B.C. The Mayans invented it independently circa 4 A.D. It was later devised in India in the mid-fifth century, spread to Cambodia near the end of the seventh century, and into China and the Islamic countries at the end of the eighth.Feb 28, 2000

If it was not included, you could only count to 1023, anyway since all fingers down would not be considered, only the lack of something.

Dik

Still can't count to 1024 without that 11th bit.....
Five bits only goes to 31, 10 bits only goes to 1023, 16 bits only goes to 65,535.
Ask any computer.

Cavik

I agree with you - the trend is to push people to use storage offsite then that site shuts down. It is a waste of my time to store files and build a collection and then be told I have to download everything and find another place to store it. These people trashing you for stating that you are frustrated with this situation - especially since it is becoming quite common - obviously have nothing better to do than look for people to cut down. This site seems to be full of that type of behavior. All you did was vent a little about a situation that was frustrating to you. Wonder if their standards would apply if someone were to smack down on all their posts with a cold prickly comment. It is easy to shame someone - that can be done with no effort at all. Showing you have character and building someone up does that some effort but it is well worth doing.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

DirtFarmer wrote:

Using binary notation you can count up to 31 using the fingers of one hand (including your thumb)...

nadelewitz wrote:

That would be 32 on one hand and 1024 with two hands. 0 (zero) is data too.

I'm not sure you can count to zero. Once you start counting you're already past zero.

So let me rephrase that:
(Assuming ten fingers are available) you can represent 32 different consecutive numbers using five fingers on one hand or 1024 different consecutive numbers using ten fingers on both hands.

Of course the numbers don't have to be consecutive as long as the set of numbers you are using is accepted by whomever you are representing the numbers to. Given that assumption, they don't even have to be rational (or real) numbers. It is not necessary that they be an abelian set.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

DirtFarmer wrote:

I'm not sure you can count to zero. Once you start... (show quote)

Stupid me, I was starting with zero as one of the numbers.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Dikdik wrote:

Zero wasn't always a number... br br The first re... (show quote)

Now "null" is not a number.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

Longshadow wrote:

Stupid me, I was starting with zero as one of the numbers.

I know it's popular to start counting at zero. Modern coding does that.
Since I'm old and started school in the '40s, I start counting at one.

RRS Loc: Not sure

Cavik wrote:

I agree with you - the trend is to push people to ... (show quote)

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

DirtFarmer wrote:

I know it's popular to start counting at zero. Modern coding does that.
Since I'm old and started school in the '40s, I start counting at one.

Been using computers for so long, zero is a valid value. Null is no data, usually in database fields, ie. no entry.