Doesn'y pay to keep anything online !
Feb 1, 2019 15:42:03 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
" On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+ pages you created will be shut down and we will begin deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+ pages will also be deleted. You can download and save your content, just make sure to do so before April. Note that photos and videos backed up in Google Photos will not be deleted. "
Yet another online service drops from sight. Saving anything online is just so risky.
I appear to have a Google + account but don't know how nor do I use it. However this is the reason why I keep nothing online.
Yet another online service drops from sight. Saving anything online is just so risky.
I appear to have a Google + account but don't know how nor do I use it. However this is the reason why I keep nothing online.
Feb 1, 2019 15:46:28 #
i dont see the connection - it was a free account to store images on the cloud; they decided to close that product and gave plenty of time to move. no risk, no loss, no reason to condemn the entire web/cloud. there are plenty of other free options and cloud storage remains a highly useful backup
Feb 1, 2019 15:49:14 #
chrissybabe wrote:
" On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any ... (show quote)
I don't think you paid anything, didn't use it, so you lost nothing - I don't understand what you mean by "Doesn'y pay to keep anything online !"
Feb 1, 2019 15:50:05 #
cascoly wrote:
i dont see the connection - it was a free account to store images on the cloud; they decided to close that product and gave plenty of time to move. no risk, no loss, no reason to condemn the entire web/cloud. there are plenty of other free options and cloud storage remains a highly useful backup
Feb 1, 2019 16:00:59 #
You’ve been given plenty of time to migrate your data. If you chose a reputable service such as Amazon, Microsoft, ICloud or a Google service that you PAY for, as long as you pay the bill, you won’t need to worry. You get what you pay for.
Feb 1, 2019 16:02:59 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
Gene51 wrote:
I don't understand what you mean by "Doesn'y pay to keep anything online !"
Not cash. But you work over a period of time setting things up online, get people used to having access to something - then whipping it away !
There are people who make temporary use of online stuff for sharing etc but anybody who relies upon an online service are asking for trouble somewhere. Applies to software also.
I can't even count on all my toes and fingers the number of software products that have disappeared on me. It isn't the money but the time I have invested that gets wasted.
If you use online backup while away on holiday (most places I go to holiday don't even have the internet so of no value to me) and don't keep a separate copy of your data (and/or photos) then you are at serious risk of one day losing some or all of your 'stuff'.
Feb 1, 2019 16:04:07 #
Feb 1, 2019 16:09:03 #
Gene51 wrote:
I don't think you paid anything, didn't use it, so you lost nothing - I don't understand what you mean by "Doesn'y pay to keep anything online !"
"Doesn't pay" to do something means that it's not worth it, nothing to do with actual "pay"ing anything.
Feb 1, 2019 16:20:24 #
chrissybabe wrote:
...I can't even count on all my toes and fingers the number of software products that have disappeared on me...
Using binary notation you can count up to 31 using the fingers of one hand (including your thumb). If you use both hands you can count to 1023.
That does take some manual dexterity. If, in addition to that, you can develop pedal dexterity and use your toes also, You can make it up to 1,048,575.
That's a lot of software products.
Feb 1, 2019 16:25:17 #
I think you will find that recent 'Information Security and Safeguarding' Legislation makes it pretty obvious that 'Info' and 'Web' are incompatible. All platforms are going to have to 'get rid of' personal information already stored (For no apparent reason necessary for their services to the consumer) and justify what they 'do' with uploaded 'stuff' in a legal and open manner.
Not only is there a 'value' to consumer information, there is also a 'responsibility' beyond their use of 'trusted' organizations beyond your control or knowledge....blanket agreements are no longer available to big business.
The fact that you 'get something for free' has no legal standing, if you then 'rip people off' in ways that they were not knowingly agreeing to. Google didn't get rich by offering a 'free public search engine' they got rich by 'mining information that they collected' often without any full disclosure being available. Cookies and trusted sites is STILL being Flashed up....but who trusts who..! and who's choice?
The downside is that individuals cannot delete info from the web. Facebook will delete 'what it can' if asked by relatives of a deceased user - but adds that certain information may still be available as they cannot guarantee to delete everything a person has posted.
(See their help files) Imagine asking Google to delete all your info that THEY have on you.. PLUS have sold on in the last few decades...
Pre web you could smash the hard drive or burn the floppies....Now it pays you to invent a persona to be used, Plus minimise personal info for government /commercial sites.
On a site like UHH there is NO REASON why you cannot 'invent' your persona. Having a 'happy birthday' greeting is a bonus only to the person mining for your personal information.....in goodwill or not.
All it needs is a the Banks or Government to admit selling personal data and the internet is History.
welcome to sleepless nights
Not only is there a 'value' to consumer information, there is also a 'responsibility' beyond their use of 'trusted' organizations beyond your control or knowledge....blanket agreements are no longer available to big business.
The fact that you 'get something for free' has no legal standing, if you then 'rip people off' in ways that they were not knowingly agreeing to. Google didn't get rich by offering a 'free public search engine' they got rich by 'mining information that they collected' often without any full disclosure being available. Cookies and trusted sites is STILL being Flashed up....but who trusts who..! and who's choice?
The downside is that individuals cannot delete info from the web. Facebook will delete 'what it can' if asked by relatives of a deceased user - but adds that certain information may still be available as they cannot guarantee to delete everything a person has posted.
(See their help files) Imagine asking Google to delete all your info that THEY have on you.. PLUS have sold on in the last few decades...
Pre web you could smash the hard drive or burn the floppies....Now it pays you to invent a persona to be used, Plus minimise personal info for government /commercial sites.
On a site like UHH there is NO REASON why you cannot 'invent' your persona. Having a 'happy birthday' greeting is a bonus only to the person mining for your personal information.....in goodwill or not.
All it needs is a the Banks or Government to admit selling personal data and the internet is History.
welcome to sleepless nights
Feb 1, 2019 16:36:00 #
chrissybabe wrote:
..... but anybody who relies upon an online service are asking for trouble somewhere. Applies to software also.....If you use online backup while away on holiday (most places I go to holiday don't even have the internet so of no value to me) and don't keep a separate copy of your data (and/or photos) then you are at serious risk of one day losing some or all of your 'stuff'.
i've been online for over 25 years and never 'lost' anything or had anything 'disappear'. unless your vacation is many months long, you're not going to lose anything since advance notice is given.
finally, cloud should be ONE of youre backups, not the sole one. if you keep everything in one place, no matter where, then yes, you are taking a risk
Feb 1, 2019 16:56:47 #
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Not sure about you, but I don’t pay for online scams - so far, I’ve been computer literate and careful enough to avoid them. I DO pay ~$3.00/month for ~300 GB of critical files on Amazon S3. From many decades in the data storage business, I know how secure that data is, and I sleep well at night knowing I have a solid off-site DR copy of my important data that I can access from anywhere with internet access. The payment is setup for automatic draft, and my backup to cloud is automatic as well - easy and no worries.
chrissybabe wrote:
Including online scams ?
Not sure about you, but I don’t pay for online scams - so far, I’ve been computer literate and careful enough to avoid them. I DO pay ~$3.00/month for ~300 GB of critical files on Amazon S3. From many decades in the data storage business, I know how secure that data is, and I sleep well at night knowing I have a solid off-site DR copy of my important data that I can access from anywhere with internet access. The payment is setup for automatic draft, and my backup to cloud is automatic as well - easy and no worries.
Feb 1, 2019 17:03:24 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
DirtFarmer wrote:
Using binary notation you can count up to 31 using the fingers of one hand (including your thumb). If you use both hands you can count to 1023.
That's a lot of software products.
That's a lot of software products.
Apart from the fact that I only have 7 fingers which would lower your total quite a lot I think most people would assume I was talking about actual individual fingers rather than using binary notation.
And since you are into binary I hope that next time you use the word "few" on here you write it like this "few (binary)" or "few (real numbers)" so that we know what scale you are using !
Feb 1, 2019 17:10:17 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
cascoly wrote:
i've been online for over 25 years and never 'lost' anything or had anything 'disappear'. unless your vacation is many months long, you're not going to lose anything since advance notice is given.
finally, cloud should be ONE of youre backups, not the sole one. if you keep everything in one place, no matter where, then yes, you are taking a risk
finally, cloud should be ONE of youre backups, not the sole one. if you keep everything in one place, no matter where, then yes, you are taking a risk
To the first I was within a few days of buying into an online password administration program when ? (can't remember the name now) closed up shop leaving many many thousands of people with no access to their passwords. It scared the s... out of me as to how close I was to having my life become really miserable. It taints using online storage for me. My online storage would need to be about 10 TBs and I doubt the ability of online storage systems to keep that for me without a substantial charge and also to guarantee that they also keep a backup of it.
With regards to the second point yes you are correct. But from what I see on here many many UHHs only use online storage. Or only one copy at home. Dangerous.
Feb 1, 2019 17:12:34 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
Using binary notation you can count up to 31 using the fingers of one hand (including your thumb). If you use both hands you can count to 1023.
That does take some manual dexterity. If, in addition to that, you can develop pedal dexterity and use your toes also, You can make it up to 1,048,575.
That's a lot of software products.
That does take some manual dexterity. If, in addition to that, you can develop pedal dexterity and use your toes also, You can make it up to 1,048,575.
That's a lot of software products.
(I'm limited to 1023!)
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