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Jan 24, 2019 21:06:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)


Write a well-defined, detailed contract that protects both parties. Charge mostly in a fee — 1/2 down, 1/2 on wedding day. Any media other than a set of low-res digital proofs are extra. If they don’t like reasonable terms, you both walk away. If they sign, you’re getting paid for your time. They might even buy some prints!

OR, find another job for that day.

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Jan 24, 2019 21:23:45   #
fotoman150
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I have been shooting weddings for over 55 years and am still at it. My mainstay, business wise, is commercial and industrial photography and corporate portraiture but I never closed down my wedding department. I enjoy the work and still find it challenging, creative and lucrative. It certainly adds to he bottom line at the end of the year! One might say, I know the territory! I've trained my younger staff members and hopefully my daughter will take over that department next season and next Fall, I will walk down the aisle backward with camera in hand for the last time. Haven't had a weekend off in half a century! It's time!

First of all I gotta tell you, I absolutely detest the term "bridezilla"- it's mean spirited, derogatory and unkind. An importat aspect of professional wedding photography is your skill sets in dealing with nervous folks. Some folks can becom difficult but a little compassion can remedy many of theses situations. Sometimes it is self-consciousnesses, some brides simply don't like being photographed. Weddings are family affairs and they are accompanied with family issues that are oftentimes stressful and some of the brides are badly affected by the tension. You need to calm them down and convince them that you are on there side and that the photography is going to be an enjoyable part of their day. If you can't accomplish that because of a personality conflict or a an issue beyond logical conciliation and you still take on the assignment , you are walking into a hornet's nest. If there is a disagreement between the bride and groom, about the photography and you end up in the middle of it, it's a different kind of nest your are entering- a machine gun emplacement and a minefield of aggravation.

Another issue is the bride's taste and preconceptions as to what she expects in her wedding photographs. I am assuming that your work is of fine quality but if the bride misconstrues soft focus, diffusion, or romantic effects as being "out of focus" she has serious misconceptions that may be beyond resolution. Their are folks who think shadows on low key portrays are defects. I once encountered a groom who did not want any close up images because they "cut people in half and he couldn't see their feet and shoes in all the pictures.. Did you LISTEN to her objections. One of the most importat part of salesmanship is being able to LISTEN, address and resolve any objections and find out exactly what the potential client expects, wants and requires. The couple's attitude toward you will reflect in their expressions in the photographs, your sales and your potential for referral business. They need to like you and trust you!

I am pretty flexible and can offer some variation of style- romantic, candid, formal, more documentary but if I can't get "on the same page" with both the bride and the groom, I will gracefully decline the assignment. I don't want to show up at the wedding and torture people and need to fight for every shot. I can shoot a wedding in my sleep but to me, the most important part of the assignment is the planning stage. I explain everything I need to do and how I am going to do it. I tell them how much of their time, cooperation and participation I will need to do a great job for them. Then I make any necessary changes to accommodate their specific requests. A wedding is too long a gig to risk an unpleasant business relationship. There is the planing sessions, oftentimes an engagement shoot, maybe a rehearsal, the entire wedding- usually an entire day's work into the late evening or early morning hours, selections meetings, production and delivery and hopefully referral business and recommendations. The work extends way beyond the wedding day.

When the couples come in, I closely observe their reaction to the images on display, the albums and the slide shows. If they are not suitably impressed there might be some incompatibility as to style, approach or whatever. If there are aspects that the don't understand, my job is to educate them but I never pressure folks or argue with them- it's counterproductive. If I decline the job, it is not out of ego or ill feelings or that I am afraid of hard work or the odd difficult situation that may occur. I am doing it for the couple's benefit. I don't want to take their money for a service or product they simply don't like. I treat thes folks like my own family, children and grandchildren but perhaps some of them don't like me- it's possible!

Just last week a couple came in to see about there wedding photography. They both loved the work but the groom was not in love with the price. The bride picked up the sample wedding album and hugged it tightly close to her chest. In 55 years, I never got that reaction. The groom-to-be took one look at the smile on her face and wrote a check for the entire order. He said he did not want to worry about payment schedules.

Wherever these issues arise, here on the forum, there is always "sour grapes" and horror stories about wedding gigs and business that went south. I can understand all of that- there is no shame- not every photographer, even the most talented and creative ones are not cut out for this aspect of the profession.

I hope this helps!
I have been shooting weddings for over 55 years an... (show quote)


Thanks. I almost missed your post. Hard to do because it was so long.

You know I just get the feeling that this bride is a handful. The term “High maintenance” comes to mind.

We have a saying here in the South, “If Momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.”

I think this applies in this case. She deserves a photographer that she is happy with.

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Jan 24, 2019 21:27:12   #
fotoman150
 
burkphoto wrote:
Write a well-defined, detailed contract that protects both parties. Charge mostly in a fee — 1/2 down, 1/2 on wedding day. Any media other than a set of low-res digital proofs are extra. If they don’t like reasonable terms, you both walk away. If they sign, you’re getting paid for your time. They might even buy some prints!

OR, find another job for that day.


I tried half on the wedding day and I found that they always forget. I have to ask for money when everything is going down all at once. They actually get annoyed. So I started getting half down and I draft their card each month until 30 days before or I require the other half thirty days before and that has worked out much better.

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Jan 24, 2019 23:01:01   #
pmorin Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs
 
fotoman150 wrote:
Yeah guys. I just did not get the warm fuzzzies from this bride.


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Jan 25, 2019 00:05:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I tried half on the wedding day and I found that they always forget. I have to ask for money when everything is going down all at once. They actually get annoyed. So I started getting half down and I draft their card each month until 30 days before or I require the other half thirty days before and that has worked out much better.




Whatever works for you... The important things are to be paid and have a contract.

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Jan 25, 2019 00:08:37   #
newtoyou Loc: Eastport
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)


Intuition is a good thing. It is your best friend sometimes.
Have you exited yet?

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Jan 25, 2019 00:16:47   #
fotoman150
 
newtoyou wrote:
Intuition is a good thing. It is your best friend sometimes.
Have you exited yet?


Not yet. They said they would call me over the weekend.

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Jan 25, 2019 05:32:28   #
nison777 Loc: illinois u.s.a.
 
Don't recommend anyone to them.
Just tell her something like...
"you can not do it due to a schedule conflict."
If one of your other photographers takes her then that's on them.

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Jan 25, 2019 06:10:33   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
Gene51 wrote:
Run, Forrest, Run!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-MCPa_3rU

The initial meeting is to let them size you up, but more importantly, let you size them up. If you get a whiff of trouble, follow your gut. Be professional and polite, but remain firm. Don't do it.


This is good advice. The chances are excellent that no matter what you do, you wouldn't please them, and that it would be a bad experience for you.

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Jan 25, 2019 06:23:11   #
PCB_smv
 
Don’t do it. If your gut reaction is that this is trouble, it probably is. Nothing is going to make this bride happy. You could get more bad press and really lose.

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Jan 25, 2019 06:24:42   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)


" I am sorry but I will have to decline my services for your wedding." "I have just received a call from my personal physician and he has scheduled a procedure for that date." " My wife booked a vacation for that week." "My son graduates from college that weekend." ANYTHING BUT, I DON'T LIKE YOUR FUTURE WIFE AND REFUSE TO WORK FOR HER".
If she does not like your work now, she is not going to change her mind when she see's your photo's. Bow out now and save your self some grief later.

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Jan 25, 2019 06:40:28   #
Jim70 Loc: Delaware
 
Trust your gut. It's better to walk away than to spend all your profits on antacids!

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Jan 25, 2019 06:57:31   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
"I believe another photographer may provide a service more to your liking."???
(Directed at the bride.)


Definitely. If something starts out badly, don't expect it to get better. If she complained about other people's photos, imagine how she'd react to yours.

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Jan 25, 2019 07:07:12   #
dpfoto Loc: Cape Coral, FL
 
I have a clause in my wedding contract: "If, in the opinion of the photographer, another studio and/or photographer would be a better match for this wedding, this wedding may be assigned to another photographer and/or studio. The client agrees to this assignment without recourse."


My Attorney has reviewed and approved this. According to him, the part that says "in the opinion of the photographer", makes it legal.

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Jan 25, 2019 08:02:32   #
fotoman150
 
Too many replies to answer everyone and the comments are similar. Thanks guys.

We will wait and see what happens. I will update you.

For now this morning I am shooting this recon apparatus.

www.reconview.com

What will they think of next.

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