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Aug 21, 2012 17:19:00   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
"what the heck is a bickie anyway" LOL

We Aussies are weird creatures. We wake up and have breckie, maybe crack a tinnie, have toast and vegemite (YUM), have a cuppa, and that's just for starters. The bickie is eaten at morning tea - yeah just a biscuit, ooooops, a cookie!!!! Not to be confused with a cocky!!!!
So streuth, stone the crows cobber, crack a tinnie and chill out.

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Aug 21, 2012 17:22:46   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
lachmap wrote:
"what the heck is a bickie anyway" LOL

We Aussies are weird creatures. We wake up and have breckie, maybe crack a tinnie, have toast and vegemite (YUM), have a cuppa, and that's just for starters. The bickie is eaten at morning tea - yeah just a biscuit, ooooops, a cookie!!!! Not to be confused with a cocky!!!!
So streuth, stone the crows cobber, crack a tinnie and chill out.


Hey Doc .....

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Aug 22, 2012 01:51:38   #
dtcracer
 
Gnslngr wrote:
PalePictures wrote:

Simply not true. I was a consultant to the FBI for 15 years on NCIC as a Subject Matter Expert. (Retired last December for a new career in Photography) UCR has criminal statistics available and the FBI reports what it gets from the states statistically. But as one Unit chief said. "There are Liars, Damned Liars and Statisticians'. Gun purchases cannot be recorded in NCIC or NICS(National Instant Check System) They only check if your a criminal when you purchase a gun.. The Record is destroyed .. The NRA didn't get their way. The FBI in no way is prevented from collecting or reporting statistics from criminal activity by Gun dealers or the NRA. (Both of which I support)

When a gun is purchased NICS does an inquiry to III (Criminal History reporting). If you have a crimnal history you can't get a gun. It also does an inquiry into NCIC. If you have a warrant for your arrest you can't get a gun.

The Universal Crime Reporting "UCR" is available online.
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There is no law that stops law enforcement from collecting statistics, only a law that stops them from collating and collecting any statistic that purports to show whether guns prevent crime. The gun manufacturers paid dearly for that law. Google it.
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As a former Law Enforcement Officer I will tell you there is no such law. All crime data is collected by the FBI and published in an annual report, showing all stats . Anyone who states otherwise is full of crap, ignorant on the subject, or just plain anti-gun propagandist spreading more liberal anti-gun lies.

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Aug 22, 2012 01:56:09   #
dtcracer
 
RixPix wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Technically the second amendment deals with the right to form a militia and in so doing permits the possession and use of fire arms.


Hey Doc ..... poppycock ..... this has been beaten to death more times than chevy vs ford .....


I meant no attack on gun ownership as I have one...I was just saying that technically we really are not given the right own guns. The NRA know this to be true. That's why they are so vocal. The inevitable interpretation of the amendment will result in guns ownership being made illegal. We are at the beginning of a paradigm shift in the public's perception of guns. In about 10 years, maybe 15 the shift will be complete and gun ownership will have the same social stigma as cigarettes do now. Now, as I said his is at least 10 years down the road so you old guys can relax they will pry your gun from your dead fingers.

The gun lobby is strong and fed by the manufacturers of weapons. As an example: about 22% of the wholesale price of a gun made in the United States goes to finance the gun lobby. It's a business that's all just a business.
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The Supreme Court has upheld the meaning of the 2nd Amendment to mean that we, as citizens, have the right to keep and bear arms. It will not be changed in 10-15 years. You are delusional. Where are your citations regarding the idea that 22% of the wholesale price goes to financing gun lobbying? Prove it...

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Aug 22, 2012 01:59:07   #
dtcracer
 
RixPix wrote:
lachmap wrote:
Why the hell do you guys need guns???? We in Aus have far less shootings, far less gun related accidents and deaths because we DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!! That's right, we don't walk around shooting folks because we got pissed off with someone or something!!! Problem is it's out of control now in the US. You have to carry a gun because you think everybody else is!!!
You think it's your right to bear arms. Great, then you must believe it's your right to die with a bullet!!!


I agree completely. It is because guns are legal that I must have one for my business. If guns were illegal in the US I wouldn't need one as a taser would do the job quite well. There are literally millions of mentally unstable people in the US and because guns are legal any one of them can obtain guns and shoot up a school yard, theater, shopping mall or neighborhood.
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If that is your sentiment, then feel free to emigrate to Australia. Then you can feel safe from all of the horrible mentally disturbed Americans! You will not be missed here.

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Aug 22, 2012 02:11:07   #
dtcracer
 
lachmap wrote:
But it's NOT the crims that a doing the massacres!!! Its the nuts - ordinary citizens that have a gripe with some poor bastard. I'd hate to be a boss that had to fire someone for fear that they would come back and shoot me. A crim can commit a crime with a knife or gun or a machete. They don't shoot if you do what they want. If you had a gun too what are you going to do? Say 'that's not a gun!! This is a gun!!". By the time you get your gun out they would have already shot you. But if it makes you feel good then so be it.

Anyway, that's enough from me. Have your guns. It's your right to have them.
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You are incorrect on several points. The first point is that the very act of shooting people makes that person a criminal. And criminals do shoot people, even if they do what they are told. That happens a lot. Criminal will rob businesses and kill the victims, who were 100% compliant with their orders. I had a friend years ago who was a convenience store clerk. He was a feeble, middle aged alcoholic. He was robbed one night, dragged into the mens room and stabbed over 400 times. He had no fight in him, and was 100% compliant to his killers demands, yet he was killed anyway. I was a cop for many years, and during that time I responded to numerous incidents where a homeowner scared off a would be burglar/attacker with a gun. I never responded to an incident where the homeowners gun was used against him, that is left-wing gun control hype.

We are not afraid because we have guns. We are not afraid of guns because we have the right to defend ourselves, if need be. It seems the countries that ban guns are the ones who are afraid. And they are also the ones who are vulnerable to tyranny as well, since they will not have the means to repell it if the need ever arises.

God Bless the USA.

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Aug 22, 2012 02:19:15   #
dtcracer
 
lachmap wrote:
stevenelson wrote:
Well I bet you IDIOTS are still killing each other in some manner, knifes, blow darts,baseball bats, & ect. Just because you IDIOTS gave up your rights to have guns does not mean that we should. Now go crawl back in your kangaroo hole.


Hey, I love you too!!! So typical of some people. You don't agree with them and so they immediately start calling you an "idiot". Kangaroo hole? Huh? Kangaroos don't live in holes. Oh, and we NEVER had the right to have guns so we never gave up that right in the first place.
You see, sure it will probably make you feel safe to have a gun in case some dumb crim walked into your house. Fine. Crims here have guns too. Lots of them. But they don't go around killing innocent people or massacring people. They reserve their bullets for other crims. You may have heard of the spike in shootings here this year. That is simply because some bikies got pissed off with some other bikies and shot up their houses etc. No individuals got shot. Just their houses. Funny that.

Now, you have a nice day, and I'll ignore the fact that you stooped to ridicule me with silly words like "idiot". Because basically we are having a discussion here. I didn't think I was ridiculing you or your country. Just pointing out a difference in gun control and ownership.
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You are forgetting to mention why Australians never had a right to bear arms. It is because Australia was settled as a penal colony, so, no they were not allowed to have guns because they were all criminals to begin with.

And just to be clear, I am not saying you are all criminals now, I happen to like Australia and most of the Australian people I have had the pleasure of meeting, just don't agree with their politics.

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Aug 22, 2012 09:07:31   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
"We are not afraid because we have guns. We are not afraid of guns because we have the right to defend ourselves, if need be. It seems the countries that ban guns are the ones who are afraid. And they are also the ones who are vulnerable to tyranny as well, since they will not have the means to repell it if the need ever arises."

Believe me, we are not afraid. That's why we have a military and allies. Tyranny? Where the hell would that come from? This is not the middle east (such as Syria) for example. This is a democratic country. We are civilised. And always will be.
But looking at some of the great comments such as "If that is your sentiment, then feel free to emigrate to Australia. Then you can feel safe from all of the horrible mentally disturbed Americans! You will not be missed here." I can see that what I am saying must be rankling some people. That is not a reasonable way to have a discussion!!! Stop putting people down just because they disagree with you!!! Discuss the topic in an adult and reasonable manner please. It makes it more dignified!!!

Have a nice day, and don't forget to duck!!

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Aug 22, 2012 09:10:11   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
"It is because Australia was settled as a penal colony, so, no they were not allowed to have guns because they were all criminals to begin with." Touche!!! And we have never had to have guns either!!! But we sure take them up when the need arises such as the Eureka Stockade, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. We just don't need them here.

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Aug 22, 2012 09:20:46   #
dtcracer
 
lachmap wrote:
"We are not afraid because we have guns. We are not afraid of guns because we have the right to defend ourselves, if need be. It seems the countries that ban guns are the ones who are afraid. And they are also the ones who are vulnerable to tyranny as well, since they will not have the means to repell it if the need ever arises."

Believe me, we are not afraid. That's why we have a military and allies. Tyranny? Where the hell would that come from? This is not the middle east (such as Syria) for example. This is a democratic country. We are civilised. And always will be.
But looking at some of the great comments such as "If that is your sentiment, then feel free to emigrate to Australia. Then you can feel safe from all of the horrible mentally disturbed Americans! You will not be missed here." I can see that what I am saying must be rankling some people. That is not a reasonable way to have a discussion!!! Stop putting people down just because they disagree with you!!! Discuss the topic in an adult and reasonable manner please. It makes it more dignified!!!

Have a nice day, and don't forget to duck!!
"We are not afraid because we have guns. We a... (show quote)


Germany wasn't the middle east either. They were one of the most modern, progressive countries in the world, yet succumbed to the tyrany of Adolf Hitler. Never say never, it can happen in Australia same as it can anywhere else. The attitude that you have, believing that your country is safe from tyrany is very dangerous. One should never be so complacent. Remember, the military follows the orders of whom ever is in charge. If your leader is a tyrant, the military will follow orders. Just having a military does not make you safe. Allies? Good idea, however, if the problem arises internally what good will that do you? Especially in todays world where countries hesitate to take military actions against other countries because they are afraid of ridicule. Take the US for example: we were ridiculed for the war in Iraq. Though the premise of the war was wrong, the ultimate goal was to remove a tyrant from power. The US has been ridiculed by the rest of the world ever since. Now, there is a war in Syria that needs to be intervened in because innocent citizens are being murdered by their government, and the US and its allies are afraid to intervene. My point is, don't ever rely on allies, or your government to protect you or do what is right. It is not infallible. And as far as the comment regarding emigrating to Australia, there are many on this board whom I believe will agree with me regarding the person that comment was directed toward. His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here. If he is not happy in the US, then he should go where he would be happy, where people agree with his particular views and beliefs. America is a Democratic country, not a socialist country, if he wants to live in a socialist country then America guaratees his freedom to move to one of them. That freedom is backed by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

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Aug 22, 2012 09:32:28   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?

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Aug 22, 2012 09:42:30   #
dtcracer
 
lachmap wrote:
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?
"Germany wasn't the middle east either."... (show quote)


The question I have regarding criminals in Australia: I know you have a problem with outlaw bikers, same as we do. Do you have the street gang problems that we have? They do not respect the difference between another gang member and an innocent bystander. A lot of our gang problems come from illegal immigration problems. One of the worst, most dangerous gangs we have here is the MS-13. It was founded by illegal immigrants from San Salvador, who were fighters in their bloody civil war. It is considered one of the bloodiest gangs in America now, and they will murder anyone, whether a gang member of not. Most gang members are convicted felons, it is considered a badge of honor amongst gang member. It is illegal for a felon to possess a firearm, yet it does not stop them from possessing several. And again, the violence does not stay contained within the gang culture. They have been known to kill people just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think I will keep my gun to protect my family.

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Aug 22, 2012 09:46:20   #
dtcracer
 
lachmap wrote:
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?
"Germany wasn't the middle east either."... (show quote)


Yes, it is his right to free speech, and to disagree with how America should be run. It is not just posts of this on this thread that led to that comment.

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Aug 22, 2012 12:04:56   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
lachmap wrote:
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?
"Germany wasn't the middle east either."... (show quote)


Hey Doc .....

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Aug 22, 2012 16:46:27   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
LOL
Fair suck of the sav, blue!!!
Perhaps it is time to call it quits!!!!
Hasta la vista, baby.

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