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Sep 24, 2018 16:26:40   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
jak86094 wrote:
Sometimes, color casts are intentional, beautiful, and accurate...not every image needs to be balanced. I understand why color balance and correction can be needed, but I don't agree that it is ALWAYS needed. I'd hate to lose the beautiful early morning or late afternoon glow in photos taken at those times. Just my 2 cents worth.


I agree with this 100%.
On the other hand however, when you have an image that does need to be adjusted it sure is helpful to have a quick and easy way to get 'er done. I just set up an action in PS and it is sweet! One click and it's done

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Sep 24, 2018 16:42:08   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
If you do a search on--Photoshop/remove color cast-- you will get many methods. I usually just use the "remove color cast" tool in PSE 15. All of this is necessary because the camera does not automatically correct it as the brain does.

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Sep 24, 2018 17:20:49   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
jak86094 wrote:
Sometimes, color casts are intentional, beautiful, and accurate...not every image needs to be balanced. I understand why color balance and correction can be needed, but I don't agree that it is ALWAYS needed. I'd hate to lose the beautiful early morning or late afternoon glow in photos taken at those times. Just my 2 cents worth.


I like your 2 cents.

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Sep 24, 2018 20:26:34   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Definitely.
--Bob
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rmalarz wrote:
Color Cast

Over some time now, I have been noticing in my processing and other's photos posted here that color cast is an issue....

Okay, I just tried it with a couple of photos. Here's one example. I think the "after" is far preferable. I'm terrible at eyeballing which color to correct; this certainly makes it easier. Thanks for the tip, rmalarz.

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Sep 24, 2018 20:27:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
You're welcome.
--Bob
Redmond wrote:
Thank you very much for the tip, I will try this using my program, Corel.

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Sep 24, 2018 20:29:45   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
John, my experience is that the vast majority of photos display a color bias. The method with which one chooses to deal with it is up to that person's choice.
--Bob
John Howard wrote:
Are you saying all images should average / blend to the same gray? Should a sunset photo in fall color (very orange) average to the same gray as a noon photo of a seascape or sailboat (very blue)?

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Sep 24, 2018 20:33:23   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Rich, an action is exactly the way I apply this to every photo I process. I use the Threshold function to determine my black and white points and the average blur image to adjust the color cast.
--Bob
Rich1939 wrote:
I also use this method as it is both quick and by using the fade function you can "artistically" leave some cast if you like. However there are times when it just don't get the job done. Bob and Gene's methods will be good to have as back up. ( If I can write an action, they could become the primary way)

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Sep 24, 2018 20:34:34   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
To each his own.
--Bob
jcboy3 wrote:
Does not look good to me.

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Sep 24, 2018 20:36:24   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Bob, that's exactly the fact. The method I described and use gets me close. I then tweak the image, if needed.
--Bob
Bob Yankle wrote:
Colorcast is HUGELY dependent on personal taste. I regularly alter mine ....... I'm not a fan of chartreuse or orange, so I seek to ameliorate them. NIK's Color Efex Pro has a [Remove Colorcast] preset which I use most often. In your example, I actually prefer the original. To my eye (and it's a personal preference rather than a proclamation of what is right and what is wrong), the second image looks somewhat "washed out". I've seen a lot of dogs (and take lots of pictures at dog shows), and the original looks closer to what I've seen in the animals.

One thing I do notice, however, is that dogs often reflect the colors of their surroundings. It may be in the future that you would consider changing the background colors while leaving your main subject stand on its own.
Colorcast is HUGELY dependent on personal taste. ... (show quote)

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Sep 24, 2018 20:39:13   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Scotty, your mentioning the need to make a selection of something one thinks is gray is the issue. That's why I rely more on the mathematical average of the R, G, and B values throughout the image. It removes the guesswork.
--Bob
selmslie wrote:
In PS Elements you can find it under Enhance/Adjust Color/Remove Color Cast... and it brings up the attached dialog. Capture One and Photoshop have similar features. It's a good starting point toward normalizing an image's colors but it has some flaws.

Picking a spot that "should be either gray, white or black" can be tricky. For example, in Fred Harwood's turtle image, the only spots that might fit that definition would be the gray log to the right or the one under the turtle because they are facing away from the green background and apparently in full sunlight. Removing any color cast hardly made a difference.

And in R.G.'s image, the beauty of the image is that there is a color cast in the sky. Removing the color cast ruins it.

This is why I seldom remove a color cast at all. I just shoot using Daylight color balance from blue hour in the morning to blue hour in the evening, rain or shine. It captures the natural color of the light, just like transparency film does. This way my starting point for raw development does not get off on the wrong foot because the JPEG is not biased.

There are some exceptions such as images under a heavy green canopy or lit by artificial light. Incandescent light is continuous and warm but neon and sodium vapor light have a sharp spike in their spectrum that make color correction difficult.
In PS Elements you can find it under b Enhance/Ad... (show quote)

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Sep 24, 2018 20:44:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Color cast is something I noticed and began to notice and over the years noticed it more and more in the images posted here. That was the incentive to share the observation and the method to deal with it. I didn't touch on the fine-tuning of each step because I'm not here to dictate to anyone how they should or shouldn't process their images. I find that the process removes a great deal of the haze in numerous situations. It produces a clarity in an image. With an Action that sets everything up for me, I find it an easy way to get things to a point that's a good start.
--Bob

jak86094 wrote:
Sometimes, color casts are intentional, beautiful, and accurate...not every image needs to be balanced. I understand why color balance and correction can be needed, but I don't agree that it is ALWAYS needed. I'd hate to lose the beautiful early morning or late afternoon glow in photos taken at those times. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Sep 24, 2018 20:57:08   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
The only pictures that will not show a color bias are those looked at in the same light as they were taken in. The camera records what is there. The eye automatically adjusts to see white as white, no matter what the actual color the incident light is. If you anticipate the kind of light you have and set the white balance to match, the camera has a chance of showing the colors as they would appear in sunlight. However, if you show someone that picture in tungsten, or other type of light it will then have a different color bias. Your eye expects daylight colors and again automatically adjusts. But there will be a slight difference from seeing the picture in sunlight.

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Sep 24, 2018 21:06:38   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
rmalarz wrote:
In photoshop, I use an adjustment layer. My procedure is:
Make a duplicate of the image, apply an average blur to that duplicate image. Then make the initially opened image the active image and keep it active. Though it's not active, make sure some part of the duplicate image is visible on the desktop.
Make three adjustment layers, Black, Gray, White. Though this could be done with one adjustment layer, the three help keep things orderly.
In the Black adjustment layer pick the black point of the image.
In the White adjustment layer pick the white point of the image.
In the Gray adjustment layer just put the cursor anywhere in the duplicate/averaged layer and click.
That does it.

I do the duplicate and layer creations through an action which saves a good deal of time overall.
--Bob
In photoshop, I use an adjustment layer. My proced... (show quote)

Thanks, Bob. Very helpful.
Alan..

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Sep 24, 2018 21:37:36   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
You're welcome.
--Bob
aphelps wrote:
Thanks, Bob. Very helpful.
Alan..

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Sep 24, 2018 21:47:58   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
rmalarz wrote:
Color Cast

Over some time now, I have been noticing in my processing and other's photos posted here that color cast is an issue. Sure, we set our camera's White Balance to what some believe to be the correct setting. But, that only takes care of something called White Balance, supposedly. What I have noticed is that the scene itself lends a cast to the image depending on the predominant color of the scene we are photographing. In an open area, the blue of the sky may be prominent. In a forest setting, a green cast can be seen. In desert scenes a beige cast is present.

It would seem that this cast affects the vibrant colors we had hoped to capture. It tends to reduce contrast and obscure subtle color variations and details in a photograph. Fixing that issue results in a truer to life image with all of the vivid colors we had intended to capture. So, how do we determine if a photograph is biased toward one color or another? It's pretty simple.

Open a photograph, I use PS so the instructions are for that program. Simply click on Filters, then Blur, then average blur. This effectively averages all of the R, B, and G pixels in the image and produces a single color image. If all is balanced, the result should look gray. Otherwise, the result will appear colored. That color is the cast that is predominant in the photograph.

Although I use this step to determine the WB of photos I process, a good many of you know that I use a somewhat unique WB setting in my camera. So, I'm not going to post any photos I've taken to avoid the diversion from this topic. If some of you would care to let me use your posted photos to illustrate this observation, I'd certainly appreciate it.
--Bob
Color Cast br br Over some time now, I have been ... (show quote)


Thanks for the info., Bob.
I'll have to try this sometime.
Marion

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