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Sep 27, 2018 14:39:03   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
selmslie wrote:
Sorry to hear about your vision issues. I just had cataract surgery six months ago. I am using a calibrated 27" 4K monitor.

Since neither of us has perfect vision, I used PS Elements to measure the changes at the pixel level. I searched the lizard image for something close to middle gray. I found a spot at pixel x=761, y=528:
Before After Change
R 131 128 -3
G 127 129 +2
B 118 121 +3

Plus or minus three units on a scale of 0-255 is a barely perceptible change in color. But the change in brightness in the overall image is noticeable as is the apparent change in saturation and contrast. We can leave it to others with better vision than ours to judge whether Bob's method improved or degraded the image.

Nevertheless, the changes really amount to tweaking the image to achieve the result the photographer desires rather than actually correcting the image to more closely resemble the "actual" colors.

But an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. Starting off with a daylight white balance is still easier to work with than rolling the dice with Auto WB and needing to correct a color cast that the camera might inadvertently introduce in the JPEG or "suggest" to the raw converter.
Sorry to hear about your vision issues. I just ha... (show quote)


If you were to copy both of the lizard images into PS, one layered above the other, the differences though slight will be readily apparent as you turn the top layer off and on. You should also be able to see some contrast enhancement. And you don't have to break a sweat looking for middle gray.

What is an actual color other than in the eye of the beholder. When we work an image we work it to our satisfaction. (If you're on to your job, our satisfaction= the clients wishes)
You like your boat image, I think it lacks warmth. ???

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Sep 27, 2018 14:51:15   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
selmslie wrote:
To which image or images are you referring?

If you are speaking of this one, there was some degree of improvement. But another poster applied the method after masking out part of the image and got a different result.

If you mean this one, the image was degraded and a purple cast was introduced.

In this case the method was applied and it removed some of the yellow cast.

In this case the post mentions that it does almost nothing for a gray and overcast day. Of course, it might have if the original captured image had had a serious white balance issue.

I already pointed to my images where the method failed and explained why. I also posted a couple of additional images where the use of the method would have ruined the color.

Even the two images that Bob provided here and here, fully processed by him, showed no appreciable change in color cast.

Bob's a nice guy and we all like him. But that should not cloud our judgement
To which image or images are you referring? br br... (show quote)


I only checked out the last two images. To me both started with a greenish tint but when the cast was removed they both looked normal to me. If you can’t see the difference then you need glasses. BIG difference.

You just want to argue, bitch and moan. You have done this to me as well as others here on UHH. PLEASE get some help. You are not a credible person.

Dennis

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Sep 27, 2018 15:05:40   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Rich1939 wrote:
... What is an actual color other than in the eye of the beholder. When we work an image we work it to our satisfaction. (If you're on to your job, our satisfaction= the clients wishes)
You like your boat image, I think it lacks warmth. ???

The difference between your view of the boat and mine comes down to the fact that I was there, floating in the water taking the image. It was mid-day. I was intimately familiar with every sail, line and square foot of deck. The boat was clean and fairly new. I know what the actual colors were.

If I wanted a warmer image of the boat I would have waited for the golden hour.

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Sep 27, 2018 15:16:41   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I only checked out the last two images. To me both started with a greenish tint but when the cast was removed they both looked normal to me. If you can’t see the difference then you need glasses. BIG difference. ...

Are you serious? Of course it looked different! Bob had the camera set to UniWB. All of his JPEGs are green because of that.

When he removed the UniWB setting the image reverted to a default WB, probably Daylight. Removing the UniWB setting has nothing to do with his methodology.

Did you seriously think that removing the green UniWB color cast had any relevance? No wonder you are confused!

The color cast adjustment was used between the images labeled "Initial WB but No Color Cast Correction" and the one labeled "Color Cast Corrected". Compare those two images.

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Sep 27, 2018 15:33:12   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
selmslie wrote:
The difference between your view of the boat and mine comes down to the fact that I was there, floating in the water taking the image. It was mid-day. I was intimately familiar with every sail, line and square foot of deck. The boat was clean and fairly new. I know what the actual colors were.

If I wanted a warmer image of the boat I would have waited for the golden hour.


"Eyes of the beholder"

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Sep 27, 2018 15:48:33   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
selmslie wrote:
The difference between your view of the boat and mine comes down to the fact that I was there, floating in the water taking the image. It was mid-day. I was intimately familiar with every sail, line and square foot of deck. The boat was clean and fairly new. I know what the actual colors were.

If I wanted a warmer image of the boat I would have waited for the golden hour.

Thus proving that technique is no guarantee of a good photo.

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Sep 27, 2018 16:30:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
selmslie wrote:
Are you serious? Of course it looked different! Bob had the camera set to UniWB. All of his JPEGs are green because of that.

When he removed the UniWB setting the image reverted to a default WB, probably Daylight. Removing the UniWB setting has nothing to do with his methodology.

Did you seriously think that removing the green UniWB color cast had any relevance? No wonder you are confused!

The color cast adjustment was used between the images labeled "Initial WB but No Color Cast Correction" and the one labeled "Color Cast Corrected". Compare those two images.
Are you serious? Of course it looked different! ... (show quote)


How incredible of you to say, I am confused. I am not confused at all. How seemingly astute of you to notice that after our very limited conversation. Your comments bring to mind my USMC drill instruct yelling out, Look, everybody is out of step but Selmslie. How precious of you to pretty much go against the feelings of just about every other poster.

Goodby. Don’t feel the need to reply. We have spoken before. I don’t suffer fools or people who just know everything as you do. Hell, I could never catch up to your perfection in every subject. Tell God hello the next time he comes for advice from you.

Dennis

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Sep 27, 2018 16:52:56   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
... Goodby. Don’t feel the need to reply. ..

Well, that's a relief. Feel free to return to the Attic from whence you emerged.

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Sep 27, 2018 18:26:44   #
Rose42
 
selmslie wrote:
Well, that's a relief. Feel free to return to the Attic from whence you emerged.


Its interesting that what you've done on this thread mirrors what I've seen in the Attic. Minus the silly namecalling.

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Sep 27, 2018 18:42:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its interesting that what you've done on this thread mirrors what I've seen in the Attic. Minus the silly namecalling.

I guess that as dedicated participant in the Attic, that is your frame of reference.

Since my interest is in photography, I cannot possibly comment.

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Sep 27, 2018 19:30:25   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its interesting that what you've done on this thread mirrors what I've seen in the Attic. Minus the silly namecalling.

What do you think about him? He messed up a thread of mine and caused many, many pages of rebuttals. Just messed up, or a dedicated troll?
He's really only moderately talented, even with his book knowledge.

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Sep 27, 2018 22:40:22   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Korat, Here's your original post, the color cast, and the adjusted result. Now, you know Munchkin better than any of us. Is this close to the dog's natural appearance?
--Bob
[quote=korat]
rmalarz wrote:
Color Cast

Over some time now, I have been noticing in my processing and other's photos posted here that color cast is an issue....

Okay, I just tried it with a couple of photos. Here's one example. I think the "after" is far preferable. I'm terrible at eyeballing which color to correct; this certainly makes it easier. Thanks for the tip, rmalarz.

Original
Original...

Color Cast
Color Cast...

Adjusted
Adjusted...

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Sep 28, 2018 10:05:54   #
Rose42
 
selmslie wrote:
I guess that as dedicated participant in the Attic, that is your frame of reference.

Since my interest is in photography, I cannot possibly comment.


You have just proven my point. I enjoy your input but I usually stop reading after a bit because you tend to take it too far - and you make snap judgements a la the Attic. I read the photography forum far more than anything else.

Have a good day.

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