The Canon EOS R must be a really terrible camera (Page 5): Bill,Bill, come back to reality! this is the Internet. Bad things, either true or false, can be said from the very first...

Bill P

Bill_de wrote:

A little premature knocking a product that hasn't hit the street yet. Of course folks love to jump on any negatives they can find. I'm sure Mr. Sony will be right there with the OP.

Sad state we have come to.

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Bill,Bill, come back to reality! this is the Internet. Bad things, either true or false, can be said from the very first moment of announcement. There is no truth filter on the web. And you are right, it is a sad state we have come too. The person with the biggest mouth is always judged to be the most right.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Rich1939 wrote:

I wasn't planning on commenting on this thread BUT, IBIS, etc... all mean nothing, if the shot is not in focus IBIS would play a large part in helping to insure a sharp capture.

Not if the lens is not focused on the proper point. IBIS may reduce effects of camera shake, but it will not focus the shot. Give the choice between a stable sensor and proper focus, I go with the focus. And most of the lenses are stabilized already.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Kuzano wrote:

When IBIS is in the body, money spent on lenses overall goes down, or better quality glass can be installed. Stabilization in the lenses increases the price of every lens.

Sony 70-200mm f2.8 $2,598.00.
Canon 70-200mm f2.8 $2,099.00.
Both B&H Prices.
Yes, both have IS but seeing as Sony has IBIS and it has no need to be on the Sony lens I can still save $500.00 on the Canon lens.

Panasonic 50-200mm f2.8-4 is $1,697.99 which is a lesser lens and $400.00 less but the IS Canon f4 is $1,299.00.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

dsmeltz wrote:

Not if the lens is not focused on the proper point. IBIS may reduce effects of camera shake, but it will not focus the shot. Give the choice between a stable sensor and proper focus, I go with the focus. And most of the lenses are stabilized already.

BebuLamar

Architect1776 wrote:

I vaguely recall the Z's have one slot or has that been totally overlooked because they are Nikon and thus can do no wrong?

Not about 1 or 2 slot but about the R lost the files and the Z didn't.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

dsmeltz wrote:

Not if the lens is not focused on the proper point. IBIS may reduce effects of camera shake, but it will not focus the shot. Give the choice between a stable sensor and proper focus, I go with the focus. And most of the lenses are stabilized already.

"IBIS would play a large part in helping to insure a sharp capture

Focus alone will not get the job done. For the sake of Canon fans I hope the next iteration will include IBIS. It will add to in lens stabilization and certainly be needed for those with out it

WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md

It's terrible because it is out of my price range, same with th Nikon

Aeneas Loc: Somers, NY

Sad indeed. Presume guilt over innocence, bad over good. Always before the facts come out.
Throw out fairness, fair play.

Bill_de wrote:

A little premature knocking a product that hasn't hit the street yet. Of course folks love to jump on any negatives they can find. I'm sure Mr. Sony will be right there with the OP.

Sad state we have come to.

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dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Rich1939 wrote:

"IBIS would play a large part in helping to insure a sharp capture

Focus alone will not get the job done. For the sake of Canon fans I hope the next iteration will include IBIS. It will add to in lens stabilization and certainly be needed for those with out it

Not saying that IBIS would not be a neat add on. Canon chose to concentrate on the forward and backward compatibility of lenses assuring equal or improved focus capability in their entry level FF MILC. I think we as users and they are well served by this choice over implementing IBIS. I would expect IBIS to be in their next higher level MILC. I think that their choice will result in more keepers than mediocre lens compatibility with IBIS. And they will probably get more migration to the new system since their choice has also provided a more affordable upgrade path from APS-C DSLR to FF MILC. It is called system thinking, that is where the other brands fail relative to Canon. The EOS R is part of a deep and rich system, which now provides the best path from entry level to advanced photography

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

dsmeltz wrote:

Not saying that IBIS would not be a neat add on. ... (show quote)

You are of course correct in what you wrote. As far as it goes. With almost all of the major players going to IBIS, in my opinion Canon missed the boat there. The other "guy"also worked on forward and backward compatibility and included IBIS. I think Canon should have too.

Bill_de Loc: US

Could it be that Nikon believes they have more non-stabilized lenses still in use? I seem to remember that Nikon was late to the VR game and lost a lot of customers to Canon at that point.

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Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

BebuLamar wrote:

Not about 1 or 2 slot but about the R lost the files and the Z didn't.

So? Card failure is NOT an issue with the camera.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Rich1939 wrote:

"IBIS would play a large part in helping to insure a sharp capture

Focus alone will not get the job done. For the sake of Canon fans I hope the next iteration will include IBIS. It will add to in lens stabilization and certainly be needed for those with out it

It’s generally conceded that IBIS is more effective at shorter FLs (where it is less needed) and IS is more effective at longer FLs (where it is more important). Either way, it depends on your subject - if you’re shooting action at high shutter speeds, it’s macht nichts.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

Architect1776 wrote:

So? Card failure is NOT an issue with the camera.

Please pass that gem of information on to Tony Northrup.

PeterBergh

Architect1776 wrote:

So? Card failure is NOT an issue with the camera.

T'aint necessarily so! Of course, in a strictly technical sense, if the failure of the card and camera to work together is because the card has failed, your comment is true. I believe it is easy to test which whether the card or the camera is at fault: try the card in another camera.