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Sep 12, 2018 11:33:36   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
cjc2 wrote:
The current crop of mirrorless bodies, including those recently announced, will not replace my D5 for sports action action photography so I would expect I would be purchasing the next version of a Nikon sports based dslr provided it afforded me something I don't have available now. Personally, I look towards mirrorless for some of my personal work where I can take advantage of the weight and size savings. I may well wait until some of the faster, more professional grade lenses actually become available. Technology moves forward every day. Best of luck.
The current crop of mirrorless bodies, including t... (show quote)

I agree with current crop. But, by the time the apex models for Nikon and Canon are ready for replacement, their replacement may be mirrorless. Or maybe, Canon will run the parallel tracks for a while as they did with the 1D and 1Ds lines until the mirrorless takes over.

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Sep 12, 2018 11:35:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rmalarz wrote:
I saw a tremendous, at least as I perceived it, lag between what was happening in front of the camera and what the viewfinder showed me. I adapted by leading the subject of the photograph in action shots. This was very prevalent in telephoto photos.
--Bob


What model were you testing? The latest flagships have all but eliminated the lag.

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Sep 12, 2018 11:52:55   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
I take this as another "doom & gloom" thread, Titled... "the days of the DSLR are numbered". As mirrorless technology is advancing, so is DSLR technology and it never "runs out" or "hits a road block", and some photographers just like the feel of a substantial size camera in their hands. How long did it take for film to become extinct?...right, people are still shooting film along with digital as I am. Why is it taking so long for Nikon and Canon so long to jump in the mirrorless business?...maybe they know something we don't. I'm not knocking mirrorless cameras, they have their place in photography.

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Sep 12, 2018 11:57:27   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
First question is will the Nikons and Canon support repairs and parts etc.
what will happen to all those lens? Nikon looks like the will have an adaptor for existing lens. If the nikons and canons are as robust as the past keeping them sounds like a good idea. My Sony a7s LLC can take many kinds of lens with adaptors.
My grandaughter 11 was on a trip in the mountains of a rental house. She
Looked at a thing in the kitchen as said what is that. It was a princess wall land line phone.

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Sep 12, 2018 12:01:54   #
texashill Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
I wish that I better understood the lens situation for these cameras. I have never owned an interchangeable lens so no need to try to use something currently owned. For interior real estate shots, it would be nice to have .18 capability. As for as I can determine, the Sony full frames have some limited choices. What about the others? I am really pretty ignorant about this but I read this forum almost daily and I know that burkphoto knows :-) What would be a good lens choice for full frame and less than full frame for someone NOT trying to salvage an existing lens collection to achieve .18 - .35?



burkphoto wrote:
Whether or not *I* have a top dSLR system today (I don’t — and would trade it if I did) has no effect on the likelihood the market will shift one way or the other.

I believe the shift to mirrorless IS accelerating, but it just got more interesting...

Both Nikon and Canon disappointed me. I used both brands from 1968 to 2012, and gave up on them both precisely BECAUSE they didn’t make a *high end hybrid mirrorless* system.

As did many others, I expected a LOT more from their new systems. They didn’t give Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, or Sony mirrorless users a compelling reason to switch.

They catered to their bases, seemingly saying, “We’re not serious yet. Tell us what we left out. Do our homework for us.” That’s utter hubris! Where’s the ‘Sony killer’? I can understand Nikon sandbagging — they use Sony sensors — but Canon?

Meanwhile, the other four serious mirrorless producers have their fourth, fifth, or sixth generation iterations out, with more to come.

It will take a while for mirrorless sales to exceed dSLR sales. How long is uncertain. But it will happen, as the mirrorless concept is ultimately superior. As technology advances, that will tip the scales faster.

For now, though, we have plenty of choices, no matter what our needs!
Whether or not *I* have a top dSLR system today (I... (show quote)

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Sep 12, 2018 12:15:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
texashill wrote:
I wish that I better understood the lens situation for these cameras. I have never owned an interchangeable lens so no need to try to use something currently owned. For interior real estate shots, it would be nice to have .18 capability. As for as I can determine, the Sony full frames have some limited choices. What about the others? I am really pretty ignorant about this but I read this forum almost daily and I know that burkphoto knows :-) What would be a good lens choice for full frame and less than full frame for someone NOT trying to salvage an existing lens collection to achieve .18 - .35?
I wish that I better understood the lens situation... (show quote)

Today's digest included by a pushback to the idea Sony is lacking a full range of lenses .... including a link to that line-up
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-553123-1.html
https://briansmith.com/gear/lenses/

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Sep 12, 2018 12:18:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
First question is will the Nikons and Canon support repairs and parts etc.
what will happen to all those lens? Nikon looks like the will have an adaptor for existing lens. If the nikons and canons are as robust as the past keeping them sounds like a good idea. My Sony a7s LLC can take many kinds of lens with adaptors.
My grandaughter 11 was on a trip in the mountains of a rental house. She
Looked at a thing in the kitchen as said what is that. It was a princess wall land line phone.
First question is will the Nikons and Canon suppor... (show quote)

Both Nikon and Canon have a separate adapter for both their recent mirrorless offerings that provide full support for their DSLR lenses, Nikon F-mount and Canon EF- and EFS-mounts.

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Sep 12, 2018 12:20:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Ched49 wrote:
I take this as another "doom & gloom" thread, Titled... "the days of the DSLR are numbered". As mirrorless technology is advancing, so is DSLR technology and it never "runs out" or "hits a road block", and some photographers just like the feel of a substantial size camera in their hands. How long did it take for film to become extinct?...right, people are still shooting film along with digital as I am. Why is it taking so long for Nikon and Canon so long to jump in the mirrorless business?...maybe they know something we don't. I'm not knocking mirrorless cameras, they have their place in photography.
I take this as another "doom & gloom"... (show quote)

Kodak went on happily making film ...

Some wagon and buggy makers when into making cars, like Studebaker. Others didn't ....

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Sep 12, 2018 12:21:46   #
cr1218
 
No. My next camera will be a rangefinder. They sound like a great system.

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Sep 12, 2018 12:23:51   #
texashill Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Thank you CHG_CANON, Sony FE 16-35mm f/4 ZA OSS looks like a perfect choice for what I was asking. What about the other mirrorless choices that use less than full frame? Is .16 achievable with those systems?



CHG_CANON wrote:
Today's digest included by a pushback to the idea Sony is lacking a full range of lenses .... including a link to that line-up
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-553123-1.html
https://briansmith.com/gear/lenses/

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Sep 12, 2018 12:31:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
texashill wrote:
Thank you CHG_CANON, Sony FE 16-35mm f/4 ZA OSS looks like a perfect choice for what I was asking. What about the other mirrorless choices that use less than full frame? Is .16 achievable with those systems?

For crop sensors, take the example of a 10mm lens on a Canon Rebel, such as a 10-22 EFS. This lens gives the 16mm field of view (10mm x 1.6 crop factor = 16mm equivalent). The focal length and crop factor for each individual model has to be considered to determine the equivalent field of view. But, I don't know all things about Canon and even less about Nikon and Sony and others. For the full frame Canon EOS R, the adapter for the EF-S lenses would use the 10-22 and the camera crops the image from the FF sensor to achieve cropped result for the lens.

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Sep 12, 2018 12:33:10   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
cr1218 wrote:
No. My next camera will be a rangefinder. They sound like a great system.

Brownies are making a comeback too ...

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Sep 12, 2018 12:38:38   #
johnbhome2 Loc: Wyoming, Michigan
 
I would jump on a DSLR that offers today's latest and greatest technology. The biggest advantage of mirrorless is the video capabilities in my eyes. I don't shoot video. If I needed to shoot video I would use my phone. It just isn't important. However, a DSLR that I don't need an engineering degree to operate as well as without the video to muck things up such as my Canon 5D with its simplicity to operate and use would result in my saying "SOLD". As the market and marketing stand now I will stick to the old and proven. It still works fine for my purposes.

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Sep 12, 2018 12:38:48   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Ched49 wrote:

I'm not knocking mirrorless cameras, they have their place in photography.


Yes they do. My cell phone is ML and it's great for Instagram and texting too!!! LoL
SS

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Sep 12, 2018 12:44:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
texashill wrote:
I wish that I better understood the lens situation for these cameras. I have never owned an interchangeable lens so no need to try to use something currently owned. For interior real estate shots, it would be nice to have .18 capability. As for as I can determine, the Sony full frames have some limited choices. What about the others? I am really pretty ignorant about this but I read this forum almost daily and I know that burkphoto knows :-) What would be a good lens choice for full frame and less than full frame for someone NOT trying to salvage an existing lens collection to achieve .18 - .35?
I wish that I better understood the lens situation... (show quote)


For Micro 4/3:

Panasonic Leica 8mm-18mm f/2.8-f/4 zoom (Full Frame Equivalent to 16-35mm Field of View) (probably the best choice) $1100
Olympus 7-14mm f/2.8 zoom (FFE 14-28mm FOV) (fast fixed aperture through the zoom range, but pricey at $1300)
Panasonic Lumix 7-14mm f/4 (FFE 14-28mm FOV) $800 (and sort of old)

http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html

Wikipedia probably has an up-to-date list of optics available for Sony and Fujifilm cameras.

Micro 4/3 is great for real estate work because of the inherent depth of field advantages. At a given distance, for a required field of view, you will use a lens of HALF the focal length, compared to full frame. That means you'll get about the same depth of field in that instance as a full frame lens stopped down two additional f/stops. (i.e.; f/2.8 on a 25mm m43 lens is going to give you the field of view and depth of field of a full frame 50mm lens used at f/5.6.)

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